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rossihunter2 said:
1 of them has struggled to stay on the field - 1 of them has basically never missed a game - the other had to play through injury and missed a few games last year but hasn't been oft-injured previously
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Mekari wasn’t all that injured prior to last season? My bad, maybe I’m thinking of someone else
 
rossihunter2 said:
dude, you make me not want to watch football or the ravens

your weird obsession with how things are as some "gotcha" as if the justice system is a perfect system for finding truth and that the logistics are the only important thing here...

this weird idea that having morals or qualms with this situation is some sort of character flaw is more revealing of you than it is anyone else...

you always seem to go to bat for the shit things that happen to people - as if you are somehow offended by the criticism of the NFL as an institution - no one here is naive enough to not know how the NFL works as a private business and what it is legally obliged to do... that does not mean that anyone asking for it to do better is somehow wrong

you are the quintessential distillation of this meme:

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LOL. But everybody who expects more of a private organization doesn't expect more of themselves in real life.

The "I'm holier than thou" mentality makes people look bad from a character perspective.

Having morals is one thing. Criticizing others for not having the same morals you do... elite level of ignorance. Like top tier, intentional, laughable level of ignorance.

Morals are personal... by definition. That can't be debated or interpreted differently. If the argument is "well the justice system sucks, so we're just going to ignore what they do, and push our own subjective, arbitrary moralities on everybody else, in an attempt to make us look better than we are in real life", congrats, you've lost the argument.

Here's the secret sauce... it's actually possible to be appalled by the things he's done, and NOT actually blame the Browns or any NFL franchise for any of it, or for doing what's 1000% in the best interest of their business. What a shocking revelation. That somebody could objectively look at a situation and not find 1,000 people to blame, because the person they want to blame isn't getting punished the way they should.

What a revolutionary concept critical thinking is. Been around for a few thousand years now. Declining by the minute...
 
rossihunter2 said:
doesnt have any grounds in law which is why the criminal proceedings were not able to go ahead but it's a bit more than a he said-she said

it's a he said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said

and fyi the NFL does have precedent to suspend him even if nothing comes of this - they literally went to court over deflate-gate with regards to Goodell's ability to do exactly this - zeke elliott was suspended 6 games also despite never being criminally charged for domestic violence
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And the perfect example that fits my argument...

When did they suspend him? Five minutes after the accusations happened, or after a year-long investigation (meaning he played while he was being investigated)?

Because you people realize we're basically barely 12 months removed from these allegations, and there are people who think suspensions, without pay, was warranted. I'm asking for examples of that happening, not of the NFL suspending people without criminal charges. That's not close to the argument.

I asked what the NFL could have, from a legal perspective, done differently to Watson in the last 12 months that gets all the people who are butt hurt about this to think that they've administered any arbitrary "punishment" against him.

Suspending him without pay wasn't an option. Any intelligent person knows this. Once the criminal justice system fails to move forward, it's purely risk/reward from any teams perspective. And you'll find TONS of teams that have taken the same approach to this, even with a suspension looming.

Zeke a great example.

The reality is none of this matters. People who are playing the self-righteous card and thinking the NFL has a moral obligation to be the criminal justice system, because the actual criminal justice system failed, are never going to be happy. Anything short of him never playing again is grounds for outrage for those who have the time to be outraged about things that don't impact them.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
LOL. But everybody who expects more of a private organization doesn't expect more of themselves in real life.

The "I'm holier than thou" mentality makes people look bad from a character perspective.

Having morals is one thing. Criticizing others for not having the same morals you do... elite level of ignorance. Like top tier, intentional, laughable level of ignorance.

Morals are personal... by definition. That can't be debated or interpreted differently. If the argument is "well the justice system sucks, so we're just going to ignore what they do, and push our own subjective, arbitrary moralities on everybody else, in an attempt to make us look better than we are in real life", congrats, you've lost the argument.

Here's the secret sauce... it's actually possible to be appalled by the things he's done, and NOT actually blame the Browns or any NFL franchise for any of it, or for doing what's 1000% in the best interest of their business. What a shocking revelation. That somebody could objectively look at a situation and not find 1,000 people to blame, because the person they want to blame isn't getting punished the way they should.

What a revolutionary concept critical thinking is. Been around for a few thousand years now. Declining by the minute...
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i feel like empathy, for you, is some sort of foreign thing that you've never experienced and only sort of understand based on 2nd-hand retellings by other people

why shouldnt i criticise businesses for stuff like this?
the NFL literally claims to do stuff for social justice as an organisation so it's clearly important to their brand - so it's absolutely right that they should be criticised for the double-standards...

people are allowed to be disappointed - and the idea that it's somehow "good for business" doesn't absolve the browns or the NFL in this situation just because of "money"
 
rmcjacket23 said:
And the perfect example that fits my argument...

When did they suspend him? Five minutes after the accusations happened, or after a year-long investigation (meaning he played while he was being investigated)?

Because you people realize we're basically barely 12 months removed from these allegations, and there are people who think suspensions, without pay, was warranted. I'm asking for examples of that happening, not of the NFL suspending people without criminal charges. That's not close to the argument.

I asked what the NFL could have, from a legal perspective, done differently to Watson in the last 12 months that gets all the people who are butt hurt about this to think that they've administered any arbitrary "punishment" against him.

Suspending him without pay wasn't an option. Any intelligent person knows this. Once the criminal justice system fails to move forward, it's purely risk/reward from any teams perspective. And you'll find TONS of teams that have taken the same approach to this, even with a suspension looming.

Zeke a great example.

The reality is none of this matters. People who are playing the self-righteous card and thinking the NFL has a moral obligation to be the criminal justice system, because the actual criminal justice system failed, are never going to be happy. Anything short of him never playing again is grounds for outrage for those who have the time to be outraged about things that don't impact them.
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not saying they would do this
but they ended Kaepernick's career instantly

no reason deshaun has to still be in the league - im not saying they would ever make that choice - but it has to be acknowledged that it was still a choice...

and why is it outrageous to think he shouldnt play again?
 
rmcjacket23 said:
LOL. But everybody who expects more of a private organization doesn't expect more of themselves in real life.

The "I'm holier than thou" mentality makes people look bad from a character perspective.

Having morals is one thing. Criticizing others for not having the same morals you do... elite level of ignorance. Like top tier, intentional, laughable level of ignorance.

Morals are personal... by definition. That can't be debated or interpreted differently. If the argument is "well the justice system sucks, so we're just going to ignore what they do, and push our own subjective, arbitrary moralities on everybody else, in an attempt to make us look better than we are in real life", congrats, you've lost the argument.

Here's the secret sauce... it's actually possible to be appalled by the things he's done, and NOT actually blame the Browns or any NFL franchise for any of it, or for doing what's 1000% in the best interest of their business. What a shocking revelation. That somebody could objectively look at a situation and not find 1,000 people to blame, because the person they want to blame isn't getting punished the way they should.

What a revolutionary concept critical thinking is. Been around for a few thousand years now. Declining by the minute...
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I'm seeing with whom some of my views align and I'm scared... lol


rossihunter2 said:
i feel like empathy, for you, is some sort of foreign thing that you've never experienced and only sort of understand based on 2nd-hand retellings by other people

why shouldnt i criticise businesses for stuff like this?
the NFL literally claims to do stuff for social justice as an organisation so it's clearly important to their brand - so it's absolutely right that they should be criticised for the double-standards...

people are allowed to be disappointed - and the idea that it's somehow "good for business" doesn't absolve the browns or the NFL in this situation just because of "money"
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The NFL lies and is all about money. Goodell is a pawn for more cash as is their whole marketing/image. The way they shit on Kap only to try and push his message later after blackballing him and many other cases. They will pander to whoever as long as it keeps them on the public's side. I guarantee during that year Watson took off, they worked with PR people on how to reintroduce him with the least backlash.
 
I will be pretty disappointed in EDC if come game 1 we don't have our line upgraded. I don't want to hear it from the crowd of people who can't wait to say you can't have a perfect line you can't have a perfect line.

I'm not asking for one, but look no further than 2 years ago. Chiefs awful line loses them the superbowl. They in one season fix it completely and should have been in the superbowl. Mahomes just mentally fell apart in that game.

Last year, the Bengals awful line and in one season totally rebuilt the line. Obviously it's yet to be seen them play, but obviously they're better than last year.

We're going in 2 years now of trying to fix the line and we're nowhere close to just those 2 examples I gave and I'm sure there are more.

At best you have an 80% of former Ronnie which is a great player and a guy you happily want at LT. At worst his injury prevents him from playing and you legitimately don't have a LT on the roster, it's probably Mekari right this second.

LG will likely be an average at best player.

C currently will likely be a below average to average player.

RG will be an above average player.

RT will be a slightly above average player.

It doesn't take a genius to see that if Ronnie goes down you're in big trouble and if he doesn't you've got your 2 weakest spots next to each other on the line another no no.

I mean I just don't get it. In totality over the last 2 years the entirety of attention to the OL which we've known is a huge problem is:

Let Skura walk
Add Cleveland
Add Villanueva
Add James
Let Bozeman walk
Lose Villanueva
Lose Bredeson
Add Moses

Obviously the draft is still to come and hopefully some Stanley insurance is on the menu there. But even with that this line is still likely to have below average LG and C play. With a Stanley injury, then below average LT play.

To me its incredibly frustrating because we've seen what a running for his life LJ does. Throw terrible interceptions, get sacked, and get hurt.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i feel like empathy, for you, is some sort of foreign thing that you've never experienced and only sort of understand based on 2nd-hand retellings by other people

why shouldnt i criticise businesses for stuff like this?
the NFL literally claims to do stuff for social justice as an organisation so it's clearly important to their brand - so it's absolutely right that they should be criticised for the double-standards...

people are allowed to be disappointed - and the idea that it's somehow "good for business" doesn't absolve the browns or the NFL in this situation just because of "money"
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Sure it does. Their business is 100% about money. It's literally the reason for their existence. They don't exist to be the second arm of the law and be the moral police that the legal system can't.

They do stuff for social justice because a) their players care about it and b) the majority of their fanbase cares about it. Neither of those things is true when it comes to stuff like this. You hearing a large group of players ready to boycott their teams because they're allowing Watson back in? You think any of the players in that locker room will care about anything other than what kind of teammate he is and what kind of player he is?

To criticize the NFL for a double standard is to criticize the public for a double standard. The general public is a walking pile of hypocrisy. They're the spitting image. The absolute maximum they will ever do for social injustice, protecting women from sexual assault, etc. is.... post on social media about their outrage.

If it's such a big problem, do something about it. Not somebody else. YOU. Turn off all the games. Don't but the tickets. Don't buy the merch. The NFL already knows that 99.9999% of the fanbase won't do a damn thing differently. All they're doing is taking their cues from you...
 
rossihunter2 said:
not saying they would do this
but they ended Kaepernick's career instantly

no reason deshaun has to still be in the league - im not saying they would ever make that choice - but it has to be acknowledged that it was still a choice...

and why is it outrageous to think he shouldnt play again?
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Because it's not your choice. You haven't earned the right to dictate lifetime employment status for another human being. You're simply not qualified, nor am I.

That's the most ignorant part. People telling others how to make decisions, when they're responsible for neither the reward nor the risk of any of them.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
What the hell did Bozeman do between now and our extension offer?
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But also we kept saying oh if he wants a 1 year deal we can't afford because it'll be too big a cap hit. We'll we could obviously afford that. I think EDC has a real problem of not making offers. We heard about it with Justin Houston last year. He thought he was being respectful by not offering a small contract. Well his agent had to beg him to make an offer. And guess what happened he signed with us.

Fuck being respectful. I'm 100% sure that is exactly what happened here again. We made our offer he turned it down. We "moved on" like Jeff likes to say and never fucking inquired about a cheap 1 year deal. I mean this is your job to field the best team and I'm CERTAIN that Bozeman at the number is absolutely the best possible thing we could have had. That's ridiculously low for how well he played and maintaing leadership and continuity.
 
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