Signings, Cuts, Trades

[rmcjacket23]

If we get Lamar under contract will that void the 5th year option guarantees ? That could be a good chunk of cap savings, depending on the structure, at-least for 2022

Sure, it can be. All depends on the contract structure. It doesn't really "void the guarantees" because they'll just move some salary around, create bigger bonuses, etc.

I've been a proponent on IF there's a Lamar extension to not reduce his cap hit that much for this year. There's people online who have suggested you could drop it all the way down to like $10M or so, which I wouldn't do. The lower it is now, the higher it'll be later.
I'd be looking to keep his cap hit around $18-20M for this year if it were me.

But at this point extending Lamar should be viewed as a bonus, not an expectation. And by the time you do extend him, I'm not sure you're going to need a ton of cap space to begin with (I don't expect this to happen until at least June), so reducing it significantly seems like a bad idea.

The easiest/best ways to create space is do a restructure on Marlon (take a good chunk of his $10M salary and convert to bonus), which could create ~$7M in space, and to do an extension with Peters. You could probably get another $2.5M if you really needed it by doing the same restructure for Marlon on Zeitler.

Others will say you could restructure Stanley, which could get you another ~$6M, but I personally wouldn't.

Sweet spots for me are Marlon and Peters. By just doing a standard restructure and getting Peters extended for at least another year or two, you can create $10M+ easily.

 

[BoredMarine13]

How does the NFL work in terms of teams splitting a players contract for trades? Could the Browns trade Baker to Carolina and agree to take on half of his salary and cap hit? Or give some sort of cash incentives to the team they are trading with? No idea how that stuff works

 

[rmcjacket23]

How does the NFL work in terms of teams splitting a players contract for trades? Could the Browns trade Baker to Carolina and agree to take on half of his salary and cap hit? Or give some sort of cash incentives to the team they are trading with? No idea how that stuff works

Typically the salary just follows to the team acquiring the player, but I would imagine if both teams agree to compensation terms, and the NFL approves it, it's possible one team will take on a chunk of the salary.

I'm not entirely should if that's "legal" or not. I remember the Brock Osweiler deal, where Houston traded a high $ contract (Osweiler) and a second round pick to Cleveland, who basically give up a 4th rounder. Essentially the Browns took on a bad contract in exchange for a higher draft pick.

Baker has more value than Brock did, so I doubt the Browns would have to give up a better draft pick to get somebody to take Baker. Browns have plenty of cap space, so they don't need to get a salary dump that bad.

 

[rossihunter2]

Typically the salary just follows to the team acquiring the player, but I would imagine if both teams agree to compensation terms, and the NFL approves it, it's possible one team will take on a chunk of the salary.

I'm not entirely should if that's "legal" or not. I remember the Brock Osweiler deal, where Houston traded a high $ contract (Osweiler) and a second round pick to Cleveland, who basically give up a 4th rounder. Essentially the Browns took on a bad contract in exchange for a higher draft pick.

Baker has more value than Brock did, so I doubt the Browns would have to give up a better draft pick to get somebody to take Baker. Browns have plenty of cap space, so they don't need to get a salary dump that bad.

yeah the trading team can take on some of the salary as part of the deal - obviously that raises the price of the compensation though for them to volunteer to take on extra dead money

 

[Simba]

Would be a minor move but curious if we revisit here. Think they wanted to keep him last year but obviously fell victim to the numbers.

 

[rossihunter2]

Would be a minor move but curious if we revisit here. Think they wanted to keep him last year but obviously fell victim to the numbers.

didnt he also end up getting injured with the seahawks last year too lol
i imagine the ravens are steering clear of all injury concerns at the position which is why they've let tavon and westry go for basically nothing

but i would definitely welcome him back to camp again for sure

 

[Davesta]

Would be a minor move but curious if we revisit here. Think they wanted to keep him last year but obviously fell victim to the numbers.

We have zero depth. So why not

 

[Simba]

didnt he also end up getting injured with the seahawks last year too lol
i imagine the ravens are steering clear of all injury concerns at the position which is why they've let tavon and westry go for basically nothing

but i would definitely welcome him back to camp again for sure

Rumored that it was a stash. Went on IR with the same injury that he had here and recovered from in order to play in those preseason games.

 

[rossihunter2]

Rumored that it was a stash. Went on IR with the same injury that he had here and recovered from in order to play in those preseason games.

ah i see
well then id like to see him back - but i wonder if he'd want to be back - probably still not many opportunities to play here

 

[RavensMania]

Its a fully guaranteed contract. We'd be assuming fully guaranteed base salaries of $1.2, $1.9, $2.5M. Obviously not expensive, but I'd still be surprised to see the move happen.

I really don't understand why the Giants would want to trade arguably their best offensive weapon, who's also dirt cheap.

and Saquan is fully guaranteed with no savings until after June 1.

 

[JO_75]

Feel like Waller should have been apart of the deal for Adams lol.

 

[BoredMarine13]

Feel like Waller should have been apart of the deal for Adams lol.

Why in the world would they do that? He is their entire offense

 

[Davesta]

Why in the world would they do that? He is their entire offense

Not with D. Adams on that team now.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

There’s been lots of talk about Deebo and the ravens, but I’m not hearing the same interest in toney and idk why, substantially less cap and draft capital and frankly his ceiling is higher than deebos and I like his fit here.

 

[BoredMarine13]

Not with D. Adams on that team now.

Yea I get that, but the idea of the two of them paired together seems damn near unstoppable

 

[Davesta]

There’s been lots of talk about Deebo and the ravens, but I’m not hearing the same interest in toney and idk why, substantially less cap and draft capital and frankly his ceiling is higher than deebos and I like his fit here.

Because he’s a nut case?

 

[RavensMania]

There’s been lots of talk about Deebo and the ravens, but I’m not hearing the same interest in toney and idk why, substantially less cap and draft capital and frankly his ceiling is higher than deebos and I like his fit here.

major character concerns, but a very good player

 

[purplepittabread88]

There’s been lots of talk about Deebo and the ravens, but I’m not hearing the same interest in toney and idk why, substantially less cap and draft capital and frankly his ceiling is higher than deebos and I like his fit here.

I agree with all of this except the ceiling is higher? no way. Crazy if they do move on from him though.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Because he’s a nut case?

major character concerns, but a very good player

What are the character concerns? I saw the alleged rap rumor which was nonsense, I havent seen anything else, I read some generalized remarks in some articles suggesting he’s not fully committed or immature or something to that effect, but that felt like a lot of hearsay.

Kadarius toney has the Lamar Jackson effect as a runner, he is terrifying because you can have him lined up for a routine tackle and closed in by multiple defenders and in a blink he can make all of them miss and be headed elsewhere. Defenses would be scared shitless trying to defend toney and Lamar at the same time, even more so than Deebo Samuel I think

 

[rmcjacket23]

There’s been lots of talk about Deebo and the ravens, but I’m not hearing the same interest in toney and idk why, substantially less cap and draft capital and frankly his ceiling is higher than deebos and I like his fit here.

Probably because talk of Deebo to the Ravens is fan driven rather than actual real life driven.