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Signings, Cuts, Trades

I'm really loving the ravens moves this offseason, they've done a great job of reducing the number of question marks on this team while upgrading.

For me there are five question marks left =>
1) EDGE - Oweh is a good start to a four man rush, but Madabuikes been a bit flat. Multiple starters needed.
2) CB - I didn't expect both Averett and Young to go in FA, which has left a starting spot. We also need a lot more depth here.
3) C - I don't feel great going into the season with TCC/Mekari as our starter. If we make just one more move in FA, I'd love to see a new starter here.
4) LT - Will Stanley be g2g? We won't know this until we do.
5) ILB - PQ played great towards the end of the season, but feel like he needs a vet starter next to him. We might draft someone, but likely will add at least one vet post-draft.

If we do manage to snag a C pre-draft then our biggest wants will be around EDGE/CB. Would be great if this draft we end up going extra hard on pass rush.
 
rossihunter2 said:
their method is somewhat sustainable - they havent destroyed their cap like the saints and packers
all they've done is traded away 1st round picks which they see as prime capital with only a 50% hit-rate and found foundational stars and talents to spend those 1s (and sometimes 2s) on

then they make sure to pay those foundational guys and let other guys go every year (rather than try and keep the whole band together like the bucs) and reap the rewards of the comp pick system

and then they make sure to draft lots of players in the mid rounds and have a philosophy of looking for guys who have traits that will allow them to contribute early rather than trying to find the whole package in a developmental prospect on day 3...

nothing unsustainable about that set-up as long as they dont miss on those 1st round picks they used on star veterans
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I think the Rams have one additional feature that might keep it going. Southern Cal is a very attractive landing spot for those who want that everyday rich & famous social circle. Combine that with the newly found championship pedigree, I think they can continue to be strong quite a while into the future.
 
Re Watson, I think he went 4-12 in his last season playing. With all of the injuries, I couldn't have been mad if the Ravens went 4-12 last year, but Lamar put the team on his back and essentially said, "not on my watch." I'll take Lamar over Watson from a talent standpoint. And then there's the difference in character..
 
I really think you all are underrating this move by the Browns. Yeah, they have no cap now, but they weren't going to have much had they signed Baker. This is a huge upgrade at the position. Also, the fact they can actually use the run game as a compliment to the pass game makes all the difference. They can play with a lead now which also changes how the defense can attack. What do I know though. Could blow up in their face, but I'd bet if you could take a poll of that team, the players and FO are much happier with him than Mayfield.
 
Corvus Purpura said:
Re Watson, I think he went 4-12 in his last season playing. With all of the injuries, I couldn't have been mad if the Ravens went 4-12 last year, but Lamar put the team on his back and essentially said, "not on my watch." I'll take Lamar over Watson from a talent standpoint. And then there's the difference in character..
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And the roster we fielded was still better than that 4-12 Texans squad if you ask me.
 
ChainedBird said:
I'm really loving the ravens moves this offseason, they've done a great job of reducing the number of question marks on this team while upgrading.

For me there are five question marks left =>
1) EDGE - Oweh is a good start to a four man rush, but Madabuikes been a bit flat. Multiple starters needed.
2) CB - I didn't expect both Averett and Young to go in FA, which has left a starting spot. We also need a lot more depth here.
3) C - I don't feel great going into the season with TCC/Mekari as our starter. If we make just one more move in FA, I'd love to see a new starter here.
4) LT - Will Stanley be g2g? We won't know this until we do.
5) ILB - PQ played great towards the end of the season, but feel like he needs a vet starter next to him. We might draft someone, but likely will add at least one vet post-draft.

If we do manage to snag a C pre-draft then our biggest wants will be around EDGE/CB. Would be great if this draft we end up going extra hard on pass rush.
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id add IDL to that still - we addressed nose tackle but i think we're probably looking for another guy (or guys) to add to the front - someone who can play 5tech/DE and just generally young depth and maybe a young nose to develop behind pierce and occasionally spell him - this is a shallow IDL draft class but there's lots of options at nose tackle in late day 2 but more likely day 3

I think CB we're gonna be drafting at least 1 but more likely 2 in the class

C i still have no idea what the solution is

LT there's nothing we can do really in free agency - my guess is they add someone in the draft on day 2 that they like who maybe has some swing value (either an interior OL with potential to move outside in a pinch like Salyer or a tackle prospect with left-side/right-side versatility)

LB i think there's options everywhere but i agree we probably should look to add someone - malik harrison project is clearly over, bynes and fort are free agents and so is chris board and i dont think they see kristian welch as the ansewr

EDGE is complicated because all the edges on our roster (other than jaylon ferguson) are coming off injuries and it's a thin position anyway - ideally id like to see us grab a vet in free agency (ZDS really was the dream) and also draft someone fairly high
 
Deebo813 said:
I think youd be able to tell close to the end of their careers or with more yrs played in the nfl.. they all had talented rosters but couldnt pull it off.when it was time they couldnt do it and thats the biggest difference that separates them. idc how herbert stats look until he stop throwing all them ints and fking up the games in 4th q, he shouldnt be in the tier with the other top qbs in nfl
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Herbert isn't in anybodies top tier. He's just in the second tier with a bunch of other QBs, like Watson.
Herbert's INTs are on par with most of the QBs in that group and even on par with guys like Mahomes and Allen, who routinely throw it to the other team, so that's not a real concern for NFL teams. And if its not a concern for NFL teams, it shouldn't be a concern for fans.
 
A1A said:
Stafford < Watson
Baker < Watson
Rivers < Watson
Flacco < Watson
Murray < Watson

Long list of QB that can't do what that guy can. Don't be a hater cause he's a brown now.
And yea unless we see I huge change this season....
Jackson < Watson
He's easily the best QB in the division now. Luckily for us he doesn't have 3 #1's like Burrow.
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Well I certainly wouldn't put Stafford behind Watson. I think they do different thing well, but there's a lot of things that Stafford can do that Watson can't even dream of doing.
The three in the middle I have no idea why you would include them in this list. It's like comparing Watson to Joe Namath. It's a pointless argument 100% of the time.
I'd probably take Watson over Murray, but I don't know that they're dramatically different in terms of skill sets. One is just more seasoned and has had better coaching in my opinion.

The group of QBs Watson should be compared to is:
Rodgers
Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Stafford
Jackson
Wilson
Murray
Prescott

I personally have the top three in that group ahead of everybody else, and the remaining seven are largely interchangeable to me. Any of them could easily win a Lombardi or even multiple Lombardi's with the right supporting cast and coaching.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Herbert isn't in anybodies top tier. He's just in the second tier with a bunch of other QBs, like Watson.
Herbert's INTs are on par with most of the QBs in that group and even on par with guys like Mahomes and Allen, who routinely throw it to the other team, so that's not a real concern for NFL teams. And if its not a concern for NFL teams, it shouldn't be a concern for fans.
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25 ints in last 2 yrs for herbert.. he probably has the most in that 2nd tier of qbs.. also couple games where he legit gave up the game in the 4th q with ints that never shouldve been thrown.. he still has ways to go.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Well I certainly wouldn't put Stafford behind Watson. I think they do different thing well, but there's a lot of things that Stafford can do that Watson can't even dream of doing.
The three in the middle I have no idea why you would include them in this list. It's like comparing Watson to Joe Namath. It's a pointless argument 100% of the time.
I'd probably take Watson over Murray, but I don't know that they're dramatically different in terms of skill sets. One is just more seasoned and has had better coaching in my opinion.

The group of QBs Watson should be compared to is:
Rodgers
Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Stafford
Jackson
Wilson
Murray
Prescott

I personally have the top three in that group ahead of everybody else, and the remaining seven are largely interchangeable to me. Any of them could easily win a Lombardi or even multiple Lombardi's with the right supporting cast and coaching.
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Its not as easy just having the right players and coaches.. qbs folding under pressure or when the pressure is on is a real thing.
 
Deebo813 said:
Its not as easy just having the right players and coaches.. qbs folding under pressure or when the pressure is on is a real thing.
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Yup, and everybody in tier 2 on that list has moments of non-greatness in the 4th quarter. Frankly, tier 1 also. That's the point.
You think Aaron Rodgers is this big time clutch QB who always performs when the games on the line?
 
Deebo813 said:
25 ints in last 2 yrs for herbert.. he probably has the most in that 2nd tier of qbs.. also couple games where he legit gave up the game in the 4th q with ints that never shouldve been thrown.. he still has ways to go.
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That's great. I don't know whether 25 INTs is good or bad, because it has no context. How many times is he throwing the ball? That's kind of important, because attempts correlate to interceptions. Herbert is #2 in pass attempts the last two years also. The only guy with more is Brady.

If we're counting regular season only:
Stafford has 27 INTs the last two years, with about 140 less attempts
Brady has 24 INTs the last two years
Josh Allen has 25 INTs the last two years, with about 50 less attempts
Murray has 22 INTs the last two years, with about 230 less attempts
 
redrum52 said:
I really think you all are underrating this move by the Browns. Yeah, they have no cap now, but they weren't going to have much had they signed Baker. This is a huge upgrade at the position. Also, the fact they can actually use the run game as a compliment to the pass game makes all the difference. They can play with a lead now which also changes how the defense can attack. What do I know though. Could blow up in their face, but I'd bet if you could take a poll of that team, the players and FO are much happier with him than Mayfield.
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I'm less concerned about what the Browns will look like this year, because they'll be good. As always, what happens when the QB has a $40-50M cap hit and there's a bunch of other players who want to get paid?
Is a $50M QB going to get the same offensive line that Baker had last year, where many of them are making top tier money? I doubt it.

As is always the case, when he starts getting expensive, the Browns FO will need to draft well in order to remain relevant.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
That's great. I don't know whether 25 INTs is good or bad, because it has no context. How many times is he throwing the ball? That's kind of important, because attempts correlate to interceptions. Herbert is #2 in pass attempts the last two years also. The only guy with more is Brady.

If we're counting regular season only:
Stafford has 27 INTs the last two years, with about 140 less attempts
Brady has 24 INTs the last two years
Josh Allen has 25 INTs the last two years, with about 50 less attempts
Murray has 22 INTs the last two years, with about 230 less attempts
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Other than murry those other 3 guys decision making are much better than herberts though… thats where i feel like most herberts ints come from and thats why as good as he is, i still view him like andrew luck. Remember some of those dumb ass passes lamar threw this season, well thats how herbert ints are except they seem to always come in the 3rd and 4th q..
 
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rmcjacket23 said:
Well I certainly wouldn't put Stafford behind Watson. I think they do different thing well, but there's a lot of things that Stafford can do that Watson can't even dream of doing.
The three in the middle I have no idea why you would include them in this list. It's like comparing Watson to Joe Namath. It's a pointless argument 100% of the time.
I'd probably take Watson over Murray, but I don't know that they're dramatically different in terms of skill sets. One is just more seasoned and has had better coaching in my opinion.

The group of QBs Watson should be compared to is:
Rodgers
Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Stafford
Jackson
Wilson
Murray
Prescott

I personally have the top three in that group ahead of everybody else, and the remaining seven are largely interchangeable to me. Any of them could easily win a Lombardi or even multiple Lombardi's with the right supporting cast and coaching.
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Dude....this time last year you probably didn't have Stafford sniffing your best QB list. I'm not even going to entertain this.
 
Lamar wouldn't have done much better with that 2020 Houston team. Not gonna get into woulda coulda's here but Watson on a good team is automatically a SB contender.
 
Bozeman really chose....
- A shaky Coaching situation, Rhule will likely be fired midseason pending Darnold turning into Mahomes which is not going to happen.

- Darnold, Newton, Walker? Who is their QB?

- Leaving a team for a shaky situation with another team is skeptical. Carolina probably has a top 5 pick next year, why waste a one year deal on a bad team? Like if he took a one year deal in Tampa, understandable.

- A one year deal with us, plus potentially playoffs/Super Bowl run means more money next year for him. One year on a bad Panthers team isn't going to get him the big money contract.
 
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