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rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
I think all of those QBs were good enough to win SBs. Some of them did, some of them didn't. The differences between them have very little to to do with their talents, leadership, etc., and more to do with the overall rosters they played on. Some had better players, some had better coaches.
That's the fallacy of the fanboy QB analysis. They think there's like these wild tiers where like Deshaun Watson is significantly better than a Joe Burrow or a Matt Stafford. They're not. And I've not yet seen anybody come up with even a mildly intelligent argument that they are significantly different.
Michael M.
Pro Bowler
I posed a similar question recently in terms of setting the example on a changing philosophy of how to assemble a team. They may figure very few teams win back to back SB's so even if they win one every 7-10 yrs. it may be worth it. I noticed somehow they already have the cap space to get Robinson and next year Wood's should be back. Combine that with thw talent drain from the NFC and they should be right back in it
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
1. Sounds very much like the Rams are going to trade Woods after signing Robinson, so I wouldn't be certain he'll be back anyway.
2. It all depends on where you're spending your money. Right now, the Ravens are paying a ton in the secondary and practically nothing else in the front seven. Frankly, there's nobody in the front seven that's even worthy of even a moderate payday at this point, so you're talking 3-4 years before you make any reasonable effort to extend a significant defensive player. By that point, pretty much all of the secondary players (Marlon, Peters, and Williams) will be either gone or on the back ends of their deals, and then its just a question of whether they're still playing at a high enough level to warrant extending again.
Offensively, you've obviously got Stanley and Andrews that are expensive, and Hollywood and Lamar are soon going to be very expensive. Andrews realistically is probably 3-4 years away from being gone, because that's just the nature of the position.
So the answer is... hard to tell. Ultimately, if we give a lucrative extension to Lamar, drafting becomes more important. No matter how much the cap grows, he'll count at least 15-20% of it most years.
The only reasons I think you're seeing us be more active in early FA is a) we have more cap space than usual and b) we have no high-priced FAs walking out the door that would warrant significant comp picks, so there's no reason to pull back in FA in order to get more picks that aren't coming. At the rate of this FA period, getting even a single comp pick next year would be a surprise.
Michael M.
Pro Bowler
Yeah, I'm not sayin' I think the Ravens should take the same approach, just observing and curious to see how the Rams land going forward. I like EDC, I think he's a great GM. He is aggressive enough to give the team every chance to win without putting them in a hole. I think him and Harbs are a good combo and have created a culture where players want to come.
I think youd be able to tell close to the end of their careers or with more yrs played in the nfl.. they all had talented rosters but couldnt pull it off.when it was time they couldnt do it and thats the biggest difference that separates them. idc how herbert stats look until he stop throwing all them ints and fking up the games in 4th q, he shouldnt be in the tier with the other top qbs in nfl
he also didnt do any drills or work out at 296 either
their method is somewhat sustainable - they havent destroyed their cap like the saints and packers
all they've done is traded away 1st round picks which they see as prime capital with only a 50% hit-rate and found foundational stars and talents to spend those 1s (and sometimes 2s) on
then they make sure to pay those foundational guys and let other guys go every year (rather than try and keep the whole band together like the bucs) and reap the rewards of the comp pick system
and then they make sure to draft lots of players in the mid rounds and have a philosophy of looking for guys who have traits that will allow them to contribute early rather than trying to find the whole package in a developmental prospect on day 3...
nothing unsustainable about that set-up as long as they dont miss on those 1st round picks they used on star veterans
ive been suggesting we maybe take a look at ingram as a consolation prize for losing ZDS too
the benefit of ingram is that (at least when he was with the chargers) he flexed inside and rushed over guards and stuff like that which adds a ton of value to our rush packages
Stafford < Watson
Baker < Watson
Rivers < Watson
Flacco < Watson
Murray < Watson
Long list of QB that can't do what that guy can. Don't be a hater cause he's a brown now.
And yea unless we see I huge change this season....
Jackson < Watson
He's easily the best QB in the division now. Luckily for us he doesn't have 3 #1's like Burrow.
Baker < Watson
Rivers < Watson
Flacco < Watson
Murray < Watson
Long list of QB that can't do what that guy can. Don't be a hater cause he's a brown now.
And yea unless we see I huge change this season....
Jackson < Watson
He's easily the best QB in the division now. Luckily for us he doesn't have 3 #1's like Burrow.
I'm assuming he will do that at a pro day
LSURavenFan
Veteran
I don't think the Browns will be too much of a threat, at least this season. Watson is gonna be suspended. He's likely gone for 6 games, you'd think. Big ask for a guy who hasn't played since 2020 to step in and be effective around the midway point of the season...
This will backfire on the Browns
This will backfire on the Browns
ChainedBird
Practice Squad
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
No one is disliking him. Go back a few pages and you'll see myself and multiple others saying I hope he doesn't go to the Browns.
The SINGULAR good thing about that trade is that Clevland has potentially fucked its long term ability to be successful by having no cap space and no picks to make.
Independent of that, there team right now is very strong and now they have Watson. There's no reason to believe that the games with them next year will be anything other than a bloodbath.
I think people are just being realistic and understand that Watson to the Browns is better than ARod to the Steelers which apparently was a real possibility.
Deshaun is top 10 not number 1. That's all anyone has said.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Lmao you are overrating the absolute fuck out of him.
If you have a problem with Lamar Jackson’s holding on to the ball, playing hero ball, being turnover and mistake prone, then I suggest you watch a LOT more of Watson, because you haven’t watched enough
At no point has he been better than Lamar or burrow. Volume based passing metrics, that’s it.
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
He's very similar to Lamar in that way. A good chunk of the time he makes magic happen. Other times he's getting sacked 11 times in one game and it's probably his fault they lost.
Lamar is not perfect, but Lamar came in younger and more raw and has a crazy work ethic. That's why he has a CHANCE to have a higher ceiling than Watson. For him to do that though, he needs to keep improving as a passers and as a decision maker. You don't always have to be a hero
SepticeyePoe
Hall of Famer
well donte jackson just signed for 3/35 so hopefully the answer continues to be yes lol
EDIT: and within a few minutes randy bullock and fletcher cox also signing deals - would suggest that the weekend's not a thing in the NFL lol