airconteka
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All punts. That's why estimated points saved is a better metric. Obviously it's easier to kick 60 yards if you are punting from your 30 than your halfway.
Either way there's no denying that Koch is declining.
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Either way there's no denying that Koch is declining.
rmcjacket23
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Right. I treat punters the same way as I treat pretty much the entirety of Special Teams. You don't have to have a great punter, you just can't have a shitty one. Maybe your punter isn't shifting the field position 60 yards every time, but if he's shanking punts frequently or kicking into coverage too often, then that'll be bad for the team.
I think the discussion about Koch declining is fair, but I think its mostly just the idea of a $3.1M cap hit and having potentially $2.1M in cap savings coming with it. Neither are large numbers in the grand scheme of things, and if he were a great punter still, it wouldn't be a discussion. Just one of those things where if you can find somebody fairly close to as good as him in the draft, you can save yourself $1-2M in cap space, because anybody you add in the draft on day 3 is going to have minimal cap impact.
Plus he's in the last year of his deal and is 40. One way or another, I suspect we'll have a new punter by 2023 at the latest.
airconteka
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Let's be honest, Koch doesn't get the chance to punt it 60 yards because that's a Tucker field goal.
rmcjacket23
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Sure he does. Tucker isn't kicking any FGs from outside basically his opponents 45 yard line. Sure, he did in the Lions game, when there's no time left and punting achieves nothing, but that's far, far, far from the norm.
Anytime the Ravens are punting from inside their own 40, Kock can, theoretically, punt it 60 yards. It's really only between the 40s where he may have to punt and can't mathematically get a 60 yard net punt.
In reality, Punters distances should be raising, not lowering. As teams become more aggressive, pretty much anytime you cross your own 40-45 yard line with less than 3-5 yards to go, teams are going to go for it. There isn't a lot of punting going on in your opponents territory anymore (where your punts have to be shorter) unless you're like way behind on down and distance.
Finally this chapter comes to an end.
Davesta
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well atleast we got a very good WR out of this draft, but it's the Boykin chapter that I was referring to coming to a close.
ndub
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Yeah, hitting on only 12% of your draft picks in a draft class is not good at all... we've been having some rough drafts lately
rmcjacket23
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Yeah I mean no 2nd rounder hurts. 3rd round is just bad, no denying that.
I don't hate Powers as a 4th rounder. Average Guard in this league, would be solid depth on a lot of teams.
Justice Hill as a 4th rounder just in hindsight seems like such a reach, and Iman Marshall just been injured a ton.
Once I get to round 5 I pretty much just assume most guys won't contribute much until proven otherwise.
But yeah, not a good draft at all.
I think if you look at the last three drafts, you could say we've been pretty strong on day 1 and generally OK on day 2. Not great, but OK.
It's day 3. It's sucked balls for the last three years.
Justice Hill
Ben Powers
Iman Marshall
Daylon Mack
Trace McSorley
Ben Bredeson
Broderick Washington
James Proche
Geno Stone
Tylan Wallace
Shaun Wade
Daelin Hayes
Ben Mason
We're not even getting much in the way of like quality role players. Stone, Proche, and I guess Powers would be the cream of the crop. A lot of these guys are gone or will be gone soon. I'm just not sure I see much in the way of "late bloomers" in this list either. Maybe we get a step up from like Wallace now that Watkins is gone, but I don't see it.
With a gigantic number of picks on day 3 this year, we'll need to do better for sure.
Like you go back the years before that:
Averett
Elliott
Bozeman
Chuck Clark
Tavon Young
Judon
ZaDarius
Boyle
Waller
Got all those guys in a four year period on day 3.
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2020
Queen who I still feel will be very good
Dobbins - high upside
Madubuike - looking very good
Geno Stone - very good 7th rounder
Proche - great hands doesn't get played enough
2021
Way too soon to tell but .....
Bateman
Oweh
Stephens
all look promising with others from the class way too soon.
Not sure where you are coming up with rough draft class lately
Davesta
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You left off pro bowl duvernay. Yeah, 2020 and 2021 are still hopeful. Hopefully 2019 was just the first year jitters lol
Oh my..
ndub
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You're missing the players we drafted last year who didn't even make the team coming out of training camp
2021 class look good so far.. 2020 idk. Dobbins got hurt and there is no telling how he will look after.. madubike, i feel like he is hyped up most of the time. Queen, played like ass then got better as season went on
Cant believe we drafted shaun wade lol..
it really was a shit class last year all around. Atleast we were able to trade him for the same round, so that pick isn't lost.
True.. i think edc just pulled a name out of a hate when he drafted him cause dam… anyone know how he looks for thr patriots so far?
hasn't looked good
I remember getting a text from @lost after we took Stephens and he said, well atleast it wasn't Wade. lol
rmcjacket23
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My complaints are mostly from Round 3-7.
Madubuike is fine.
Duvernay and Proche, while both quality role players, are essentially glorified special teams players that contribute very little to the actual offense. Proche I'm fine with as a 6th rounder, but I've not seen enough from Duvernay to think he's like a #2 WR (or from Proche for that matter). In this offense, the #3 WR isn't going to get a lot of opportunities anyway.
Harrison, Bredeson and Washington look like whiffs to me. I guess there's still hope for Washington, but obviously Bredeson is gone and Harrison I gave up on long ago.
Phillips may still be a quality Guard but he hasn't gotten that chance to establish himself, and at the moment, he's a well below average Tackle, bordering on bad.
In 2021, to this point, in Rounds 4-7, you got Wallace, Wade, Hayes, and Mason. Wade is gone, Mason was cut and almost certainly won't make the 53 man this year either, and Wallace and Hayes showed nothing in year 1. I see very little paths to playing time for Wallace this year in terms of offensive output. Hayes others are high on but obviously injuries derailed his first year.
I really don't have a ton of criticism of day 1 or 2 the last three years. I have massive criticism of day 3. Acknowledging those guys tend to not be impact starters anyway, but Ozzie had a knack for seemingly getting at least one "stud" almost every year on day 3. Not seen that from Eric in the last three years.
Covid probably plays a role in that, but that's not going to be an excuse this year, especially with six picks on day 3 and five of them pretty early on.
cdp
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Aren't those guys you mentioned "Harbaugh's picks"? McSorley, Bredeson, Mason and Phillips are for sure.
Also I wish we only draft Michigan players if they're actually good and not because of our "intel" from Jim Harbaugh.