You dnt see guys like arod, allen, brady nor mahommes miss reads as often as lamar does. him missing reads has become a consistent thing and im not just talking about this season
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redrum52
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Brady and Rodgers just lost to the Jets and Steelers. Same Rodgers missed numerous reads against the Giants a week ago.
allblackraven
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You are on the right track. Transfer that into your conscious state.
UPennChem
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Mahomes is actually notorious for missing reads and being wild and undisciplined. It's the simultaneous blessing and curse.
Rodgers is less wild but look how poorly he's playing with a garbage WR corps.
But this may be true of Prime Brady.
Michael M.
Pro Bowler
Has Daelin Hayes been playing?
He was waived with an injury settlement before the season began I believe
On injured reserve and not the kind that you can return from. So no
Mahomes is actually notorious for missing reads and being wild and undisciplined. It's the simultaneous blessing and curse.
Yea rodgers playing like shit.. his wrs are like our 2019 playoff wr core
Havent really seen mahommes missed reads quite often but him being wild and undisciplined is def noticeable
He probably would only come to the Ravens for 10m and 5m for everyone else. The offense Baltimore runs is not going to be one he wants to play.
rmcjacket23
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He'll probably go to the team that pays him the most. This whole "nobody wants to come here" thing doesn't have much legs. Some of the teams he's looking at going to don't run the kind of offense he's interested in either.
The teams he is seriously looking at are the Bills, Rams, and Chiefs, based on the reporting, though the Packers might try to swoop in. The thing they all have in common is elite QB play and a willingness to pass the ball and that OBJ would not be coming in as the primary target. He is not going to sell out for a half year deal and tank his value for future deals. He is going to want to go where he can play in January and maximize his production so that he can sign a good deal next year. The Ravens simply are not that team and if the Ravens were going to make him consider them they would have to offer way more to make up for him lowering his future value.
Also the WRs not wanting to come to Baltimore narrative is actually something other players and coaches have said. It is not some fan or media narrative it is based on actual direct comments from people involved.
rmcjacket23
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1. The Rams and Packers don't have anything close to elite QB at the moment, considering neither of those QBs is playing great.
2. If he goes to Buffalo, he'll be the #3 option in that passing game and will likely be an afterthought, though its likely the best chance to win a ring. He's not going to be high in the pecking order in LA either.
In KC and GB, he's got a shot, but GB also is a dumpster fire right now that doesn't look like a January team at all.
Provide me the listing of direct comments from players and coaches saying WRs don't want to come here. I'm not even saying its not true, and frankly, I don't give a shit if it's true, because its totally meaningless. FA WR is a baron wasteland of mediocrity and has been for a long time. Everybody knows you get talented WRs from the draft now, so you could make a case that the idea of "FAs don't want to come here to play receiver" could be reciprocated, i.e. we don't necessarily want them either.
If you want the best "take" from what a WR thinks of playing here, ask Hollywood. He told you. He left because the team didn't need him to win. He said that.
We can play the FA narrative all day long. But if I asked Dez Bryant, or Sammy Watkins, or DeSean Jackson if they'd never come here to play, they'd probably say something different, now wouldn't they? Everybody says they won't do this and that, until nobody wants to pay them to do anything anymore. Then they'll take the first offer that comes.
Even if media or players never said, it would still be true. We arent a wr friendly offense. Our #1 wr had like 10 catches in 4 games. Tbh we never been a wr friendly org so idk why people wanna act like its not true. We either have home growns guys or wrs thats out of their prime.
Rodgers is an elite QB who does not have weapons. Tom Brady did not stop being an elite QB when his numbers dropped off a cliff because the Patriots had no weapons. So we can drop the first point right away.
He was also the number 2/3 option for the Rams. The thing about being the number 2/3, if you are a low end 1, is that you get the single coverage and therefore you get to get great numbers and therefore set yourself up well for the next contract. Being the number 1 is a way to put up stats but if you are a number 2 with a great number 1 next to you you can put up great stats (this is called the JuJu route and applies to both the Rams and Buffalo hence why they are favorites).
As for direct comments I do not even have to do that much research to start. Our own coach said it and after the Ravens traded Brown he specifically cited this offense as a reason he did not want to play here.
If your argument though is that the Ravens are the team of last resort for WRs that sort of is part of the reason that the Ravens are going to be stuck with either the worst leftovers or having to overpay. You basically made my argument for me in the last sentence as yes if a player has nowhere else to go he will come here but that sort of exemplifies how good players will try anywhere else first.
rmcjacket23
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1. No, Rodgers was an elite QB who also doesn't have weapons and isn't playing well. Russell Wilson has plenty of weapons and nobody would say he's playing well. Same for Kyler Murray and Tom Brady to an extent.
There's a difference between WAS and IS.
2. Very few of the teams you listed would qualify as that though. KC doesn't have a #1 WR that constantly double teams, and neither does GB. Buffalo has many weapons and they spread the ball around quite a bit, so if Odell's objective is to pad stats, Buffalo is a horrendous landing spot, and so are Rams. Unlikely LA is bringing him back anyway.
The double coverage is mildly relevant, but you're also pretending like every defense double covers the #1 WR (regardless of whether they're elite or not), which obviously isn't true. Cooper Kupp isn't catching 12 passes a game if he's double covered every game. Many teams play zone coverages that involve guarding areas, as opposed to players. See what the Ravens did to the Bengals.
3. Hollywood cited what I said he cited... he didn't feel valued here, because the Ravens didn't need him to win. He wanted to go someplace where he felt more valued. And he was correct... the Ravens didn't need him to win. There's weeks where he contributed very little and we dominated the game.
YOU think that means he doesn't want to play here because he doesn't get the ball enough. That would be impossible to argue, given how frequently he did get the ball.
4. No, my argument is that basically the entirety of FA WRs is literally the worst leftovers and having to overpay. Like the entire group is that way. There's very few exceptions to that.
The solution to finding quality WRs is to draft them. That's basically the approach for just about everybody at this point. A lot of the teams out here trading for high priced WRs, perhaps not coincidentally, are also heavily struggling to win football games at the moment. Not surprising to me at all.
UPennChem
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They've got all kind of second round WR problems over there
JAAM
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I’d rather have Moore lol