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QtR Nevermore said:
I think it matters because of the positions they line up. In the regular season, they don't need to be star WRs but they need multiple players who can line up outside.

In the early part of last season, in passing situations, we saw that even Sammy Watkins lined up opposite Hollywood forced opponents to defend the whole width of the field and opened up a lot of space for Andrews, scrambles and for Lamar to move around until someone opened up.

They'll struggle to do that this season. Duvernay and Proche aren't really outside receivers (though Duv can do it), Bateman is injury prone and Robinson is limited. If Bateman and Duvernay are both healthy it could work, but is there any depth?

Will Robinson scare defences out of single coverage in the playoffs? Could Likely do it? Maybe, but I'd be happier with one more acceptable perimeter WR.
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I can actually get behind the idea of lack of perimeter usage, because its a real problem. My point is that its hard for me to say that's a receiver issue, when there's no evidence that Roman a) is going to utilize perimeter WRs to amplify their skill sets and b) Lamar is anywhere close to being a prolific thrower outside the numbers, or will even target those guys in that way.

Maybe a quality perimeter WR changes that, but Bateman can play very well on the perimeter, and I've not yet seen those changes to the offense when he's there. So I'd rather see a schematic or QB-driven desire and shift towards using the perimeter more before I start investing in personnel who fit that skill set.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Picked up another WR where? FA is a baron wasteland of nothing, and any receiver you add in the draft would fit into the same mold of Proche and Duvernay, aka somebody who has shown nothing in this league?

That's kind of how the draft works people. You're taking players who have shown you nothing in the Pros and hoping they do.

If you guys are banking on FA to add playmakers in your WR core, you guys really need to do a better job of looking at the market and what's happening in the league. You get good WRs by trading significant assets for them, paying large sums of money for them, or drafting them.

There's no Anquan Boldin available for a 6th rounder and $2M anymore. Those days are long, long, long gone.
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For the fifth time with you yes, we should of drafted a WR. Duh they would of been unproven but how about if they would of performed better then proche or Wallace?

And bro seriously it's ok to be wrong sometimes. You're not always going to be right and it's OK.
 
Florida Raven Fan said:
For the fifth time with you yes, we should of drafted a WR. Duh they would of been unproven but how about if they would of performed better then proche or Wallace?

And bro seriously it's ok to be wrong sometimes. You're not always going to be right and it's OK.
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OK, so draft a receiver. So if they were better, we'd have better receivers and worse somewhere else. And if they weren't playing at all or helping at all, what would the public's response be? Would the public accept any accountability at all for that, or just do the norm, which is ask for something, it not work out, and then bitch about it later?

What specifically have I been wrong about though? Which statement did I make about WRs on this team that isn't accurate? Seems odd that you can't seem to acknowledge any specifics there...
 
rmcjacket23 said:
OK, so draft a receiver. So if they were better, we'd have better receivers and worse somewhere else. And if they weren't playing at all or helping at all, what would the public's response be? Would the public accept any accountability at all for that, or just do the norm, which is ask for something, it not work out, and then bitch about it later?

What specifically have I been wrong about though? Which statement did I make about WRs on this team that isn't accurate? Seems odd that you can't seem to acknowledge any specifics there...
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You were wrong in your statement thay fans would not have cared about wrs if Bateman and Andrews were healthy.

You were also wrong about Roquan not coming here like Marine pointed out.

Bro you seem like you like to argue for the sake of arguing. Are you a woman?

Lol I'm just messing with you don't get your panties twisted.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
3. Of course they're concerned about Proche and Wallace... they haven't done anything.
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Proche has caught (amost) everything thrown his way. I think his lack of production is more on Roman or, you could argue, Lamar. (Though the way Lamar namechecks him so often does suggest he wants to get him more involved.)
 
Florida Raven Fan said:
You were wrong in your statement thay fans would not have cared about wrs if Bateman and Andrews were healthy.

You were also wrong about Roquan not coming here like Marine pointed out.

Bro you seem like you like to argue for the sake of arguing. Are you a woman?

Lol I'm just messing with you don't get your panties twisted.
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OK, but they didn't. You want to go back and look at the all the threads from the first month of the year, when everybody was happy with our passing game, Duvernay was a pleasant surprise, etc.? Wasn't anybody out here being like "o man we really need more from Proche and Wallace". That shit was from the preseason, and that shit only comes around when things go poorly.

You're falling for the "being a fan" trap. When things are going wrong, people bitch about the most obvious of concerns. When things are going right, they prop things up, pretend like there's not problems, etc. That's what fans do.

Fans have known depth has been a problem for months. Everybody saw it. You care about it now because now you need it, and you don't care about it when you don't need it.

I'll gladly accept being wrong on Roquan, though if you go back and read what I wrote about why he wasn't coming here, I was also kind of right about it just FYI.

FWIW, I'm not sure there's a lot of guys on here who want to play the "lets evaluate our predictions" game, especially in recent days. The list of players people were certain were going to be traded that weren't traded is really, really, really, really, really long. And a lot of them were WRs too...
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Proche has caught (amost) everything thrown his way. I think his lack of production is more on Roman or, you could argue, Lamar. (Though the way Lamar namechecks him so often does suggest he wants to get him more involved.)
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Entirely possible. Also a product of an offense that runs a lot of two TE sets, which means Proche just isn't going to be on the field much, and an offense that runs the ball a lot, runs it well, and hasn't played from behind barely ever.

End of day, no matter what people think about Proche vs Duvernay or any of the other guys, he's, at best, the #3 pass catcher on this offense when everybody is healthy, and I think Duvernay is a much more explosive, bigger playmaker, than Proche. In this offense, there's not much production to be had from a third or 4th pass catcher. Never has been in the Roman/Lamar tenure.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I can actually get behind the idea of lack of perimeter usage, because its a real problem. My point is that its hard for me to say that's a receiver issue, when there's no evidence that Roman a) is going to utilize perimeter WRs to amplify their skill sets and b) Lamar is anywhere close to being a prolific thrower outside the numbers, or will even target those guys in that way.

Maybe a quality perimeter WR changes that, but Bateman can play very well on the perimeter, and I've not yet seen those changes to the offense when he's there. So I'd rather see a schematic or QB-driven desire and shift towards using the perimeter more before I start investing in personnel who fit that skill set.
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I think Lamar has thrown pretty well to the perimeter when he's had someone to throw to. Most of his career its been Boykin on one side with the defense's full attention going to Hollywood and then this year Roman has gone with all the stupidly heavy sets, so Lamar hasn't had many chances to do it.

Roman doesn't use perimeter WRs well. Mostly, he just tosses it out to them between 0-7 yards and hopes for some YAC but, on the few occasions they even had that minimal nod to attacking on both sidelines*, it was enough to open up some space for the rest of the offense.

(* Early 21 pre-Watkins injury, and the 2nd half in Tampa with Robinson.)

I wish I had faith that Roman would stick with it, but as soon as Andrews is back I expect the passing game (and everything else) to be squeezed between the hashes again.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
1. JSS and MVS aren't good WRs. They were below average WRs in high volume offenses with two pretty good QBs, and still couldn't perform well. I'm still kind of chuckling at "MVS is a good WR"... since when?
There's a reason why JSS contract is ridiculously small and ridiculously incentive-heavy. It's not because he's a good WR...
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Ok , nobody is good. Although I do recall the Ravens offering one of those gentlemen a contract, but I'm sure you know more than EDC.
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Why not just ask for Jamarr Chase, Tee Higgins, or Amari Cooper while we're at it? I mean nothing is "impossible" right?
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What are you even talking about? Claypool was clearly on his way out(another thing you got wrong) and down the depth chart. You think Jamarr Chase and Chase Claypool trades are comparable? I get it, you think your funny and clever, but its just stupid.


Just stop dude, go back to work
 
Maaaaaan if homeboy gets cut...

 
QtR Nevermore said:
I think Lamar has thrown pretty well to the perimeter when he's had someone to throw to. Most of his career its been Boykin on one side with the defense's full attention going to Hollywood and then this year Roman has gone with all the stupidly heavy sets, so Lamar hasn't had many chances to do it.

Roman doesn't use perimeter WRs well. Mostly, he just tosses it out to them between 0-7 yards and hopes for some YAC but, on the few occasions they even had that minimal nod to attacking on both sidelines*, it was enough to open up some space for the rest of the offense.

(* Early 21 pre-Watkins injury, and the 2nd half in Tampa with Robinson.)

I wish I had faith that Roman would stick with it, but as soon as Andrews is back I expect the passing game (and everything else) to be squeezed between the hashes again.
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I agree with some of this and some of what @rmcjacket23 is saying.

To me the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Similar to the point about throwing slants vs Lamar's slant throws aren't the prettiest.

Whether it's pretty or not you still should run the play. If you don't you run the risk of being 1 dimensional/easier to read. This can explain some of the comments I remember an opposing defender made about our offense. We just kept running the same thing which to me seems like get Andrews or another TE the ball somewhere in the middle or set up a slow developing deep throw.

Lamar to me has shown the ability to make throws to the outside, however we don't typically do it. Lamar has also shown the ability to run an offense and throw from under center which again we don't typically do.

The fact that we just don't do it makes no sense to me. It's unjustifiable. Other QB's with much less talent throwing aren't handicapped like this.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Ok , nobody is good. Although I do recall the Ravens offering one of those gentlemen a contract, but I'm sure you know more than EDC.

What are you even talking about? Claypool was clearly on his way out(another thing you got wrong) and down the depth chart. You think Jamarr Chase and Chase Claypool trades are comparable? I get it, you think your funny and clever, but its just stupid.


Just stop dude, go back to work
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LOL, so wait a second. You're going to go with the narrative that because the Ravens made a contract offer to a FA WR, that WR is now good? He's good purely based on the fact that Eric wanted him? And you honestly believe that's a "good take"? Like you think that improves your argument? Gee if only there were a history of FA WRs who this FO, including Eric, wanted, either got or didn't get, and they ended up sucking badly here or elsewhere. I wonder if that's like a decent-sized population at all...

I said Claypool was on his way out. I said that long before you said that actually. I was in on Claypool not being a Steeler in 2023 before it was the "cool thing" to do. You guys were literally way, way late to that party. You guys waited until like 6 games into the year to figure that out. I said it the very second they took two receivers in the draft in April. He was on borrowed time.
I said I didn't think he'd get traded mid-season (which he did) and that he was never getting traded to the Ravens (which he was never close to being).

I think those trades are comparable, yes. I think they're comparable in the context that the likelihood of the Steelers trading Claypool to the Ravens is the exact same likelihood that the Bengals trade Chase to the Ravens. Because that likelihood, as has been proven, was and is 0%. Doesn't matter whether they're the same caliber of player or whether the team even wants to trade them at all. They're simply not getting traded here. On a generous day, they'll trade Chris Wormley, which they did... 23 years apart from the last time they traded. And they'll do that because its fucking Chris Wormley. And for a net 6th rounder.

Like I get the fan aspect. Let's all shit in one hand and wish in the other. But lets at least try to be somewhat realistic about things. There's players who could fit here, financially or need wise, and that other teams were actively shopping. There's others where fans are just making shit up to live in a fantasy world. Claypool to the Ravens was the latter.
 
Also guessing DJax and Worley get the elevations this week. Obviously need to add a WR with Bateman down, and Worley is officially off the "can't be waived" train so I'm sure we'll start burning those elevations since he's used none of them so far.
 
Simba said:
Also guessing DJax and Worley get the elevations this week. Obviously need to add a WR with Bateman down, and Worley is officially off the "can't be waived" train so I'm sure we'll start burning those elevations since he's used none of them so far.
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I didn't realise they resigned Worley to PS.
 
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