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Simba said:
Outside of those pro bowlers, not many guys are high-end contributors either. Guys like Amon-Ra St. Brown and probably this year, Dameon Pierce are a couple of the "standouts" I see. A significant majority of the guys drafted on early day 3 in the last few years are exactly what we have here - solidish starters, rotational players, or dudes that are barely hanging on or already out of the league.

It's easy to forget these guys are drafted when they are for a reason. Those that outplay that status and turn into something is far more the exception than the norm.
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I guess I'd have to go back 10 years and look at the draft classes to see if I'm blowing smoke out of my ass or not... If I get bored this weekend, I might have a go at it, sounds somewhat interesting, but I tend to get many such ideas, but writing the scripts to harvest the data is usually where I stop as that is more fun than the actual result :)
 
RavensMania said:
the person that isn't looking clearly is you. I think you need a new prescription and if you'd like me to list out every draft pick hit since then, I'd be happy to to it again, but it's in the EDC thread.
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Lol what . Just look at his draft classes
2019: Hollywood has some decent years , requested a trade and no longer with the team. Boykin :lol, Ferguson: lol, Ben powers: fine player, Hill: rotational back with minimal impact, Mack: gone , McSorley: gone

2020: Queen: was terrible for two years , everyone on this board was saying no way his fifth year is picked up. Had played better this year and finally settled in now that we traded for a quality MLB to take the pressure off him. It’s a lock Queen is gone at the end of his contract . JK: who knows he ls injured probably would have been amazing if healthy. Madubike : a nice rotational player with potential. Duv: fake sweep god, irrelevant as WR until this year, has since disappeared. Malik Harrison: lol, Tyre Phillips: lol, Bredson: lol , Proche: lol, Stone: decent rotational player in a pinch.

2021: Batemen seemed like a decent pick who knows now. Oweh: the super freak athlete who couldn’t produce sacks in college can’t do it in the NFL either. Cleveland: lol, Wade: not with team , Stephen: ok depth player, Wallace : never got on the field, Hayes: lol, Ben Mason : GTFO
 
Championship lol, i really hope this is true. Would love for TO to catch passes from Huntley
 
Simba said:
Outside of those pro bowlers, not many guys are high-end contributors either. Guys like Amon-Ra St. Brown and probably this year, Dameon Pierce are a couple of the "standouts" I see. A significant majority of the guys drafted on early day 3 in the last few years are exactly what we have here - solidish starters, rotational players, or dudes that are barely hanging on or already out of the league.

It's easy to forget these guys are drafted when they are for a reason. Those that outplay that status and turn into something is far more the exception than the norm.
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After some very quick wikipedia research, I'd say that both of us are wrong. I checked the drafts where players have completed their 4 year rookie contract (up to 2019) and according to wikipedia, the following players in the 4th round have been to at least one Pro Bowl.

2012
Lamar Miller, Kirk Cousins
2013
David Bakhtiari, Kyle Juszczyk
2014
Devonta Freeman
2015
Za'Darius Smith, Kwon Alexander
2016
Joe Schobert, Pharoh Cooper, Dak Prescott
2017
Eddie Jackson, Tarik Cohen
2018
Josh Sweat
2019
Maxx Crosby, Tony Pollard

Now, as I said, I wasn't really referring to Pro Bowl votes, but it seems like you have an average of about 2 4th rounders per year that make at least one pro bowl which isn't that far off my initial guess (of one in 10-15). What I was wrong was of course that the Ravens don't draft those as we have both Smith and Juice in the above list.

And before anyone argues that some of those names are "not really pro bowl level talent", I agree, but I also found a bunch of names that I would consider "high-level starters" that never made the PB so the "overwhelming success"-rate is probably not that far off. Perhaps we're just arguing semantics at this point though.
 
marklar said:
After some very quick wikipedia research, I'd say that both of us are wrong. I checked the drafts where players have completed their 4 year rookie contract (up to 2019) and according to wikipedia, the following players in the 4th round have been to at least one Pro Bowl.

2012
Lamar Miller, Kirk Cousins
2013
David Bakhtiari, Kyle Juszczyk
2014
Devonta Freeman
2015
Za'Darius Smith, Kwon Alexander
2016
Joe Schobert, Pharoh Cooper, Dak Prescott
2017
Eddie Jackson, Tarik Cohen
2018
Josh Sweat
2019
Maxx Crosby, Tony Pollard

Now, as I said, I wasn't really referring to Pro Bowl votes, but it seems like you have an average of about 2 4th rounders per year that make at least one pro bowl which isn't that far off my initial guess (of one in 10-15). What I was wrong was of course that the Ravens don't draft those as we have both Smith and Juice in the above list.

And before anyone argues that some of those names are "not really pro bowl level talent", I agree, but I also found a bunch of names that I would consider "high-level starters" that never made the PB so the "overwhelming success"-rate is probably not that far off. Perhaps we're just arguing semantics at this point though.
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I think that illustrates that the odds of hitting one of those "high-level" talents is still extremely slim. For as much as we bash guys like Anthony Averett and Ben Powers, most teams would love to pull guys like that out of early day 3. For every one of the guys above, there are probably 15-20 that fade out of the league entirely. It's how the draft works.
 
marklar said:
After some very quick wikipedia research, I'd say that both of us are wrong. I checked the drafts where players have completed their 4 year rookie contract (up to 2019) and according to wikipedia, the following players in the 4th round have been to at least one Pro Bowl.

2012
Lamar Miller, Kirk Cousins
2013
David Bakhtiari, Kyle Juszczyk
2014
Devonta Freeman
2015
Za'Darius Smith, Kwon Alexander
2016
Joe Schobert, Pharoh Cooper, Dak Prescott
2017
Eddie Jackson, Tarik Cohen
2018
Josh Sweat
2019
Maxx Crosby, Tony Pollard

Now, as I said, I wasn't really referring to Pro Bowl votes, but it seems like you have an average of about 2 4th rounders per year that make at least one pro bowl which isn't that far off my initial guess (of one in 10-15). What I was wrong was of course that the Ravens don't draft those as we have both Smith and Juice in the above list.

And before anyone argues that some of those names are "not really pro bowl level talent", I agree, but I also found a bunch of names that I would consider "high-level starters" that never made the PB so the "overwhelming success"-rate is probably not that far off. Perhaps we're just arguing semantics at this point though.
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what's funny is the ravens look better than the rest of the league if you add in the entirety of day 3 in terms of guys we drafted:

Juice
Ryan Jensen
ZDS
Waller (probably shouldnt count)
Judon

we've just gone through a dry patch since Judon in terms of day 3 pro bowlers
 
Simba said:
I think that illustrates that the odds of hitting one of those "high-level" talents is still extremely slim. For as much as we bash guys like Anthony Averett and Ben Powers, most teams would love to pull guys like that out of early day 3. For every one of the guys above, there are probably 15-20 that fade out of the league entirely. It's how the draft works.
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day 3 anywhere:

powers
averett
elliott
bozeman
Sieler
chuck
Tavon
Judon
ZDS
Boyle
Waller
Urban
Juice
Wagner
Jensen
 
rossihunter2 said:
day 3 anywhere:

powers
averett
elliott
bozeman
Sieler
chuck
Tavon
Judon
ZDS
Boyle
Waller
Urban
Juice
Wagner
Jensen
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Yeah I'm not mad at that. Doesn't look great in recent years of course but it's still far too early for 2022. I'm almost willing to write off 2021 entirely because of the smaller covid class and the number of guys that are already on the brinks of being out of the league in the entirety of day 3 there. I don't see too many problems otherwise. Yeah we might have missed on guys like Jaleel Scott and Iman Marshall but that's kind of the norm to me.
 
Simba said:
Yeah I'm not mad at that. Doesn't look great in recent years of course but it's still far too early for 2022. I'm almost willing to write off 2021 entirely because of the smaller covid class and the number of guys that are already on the brinks of being out of the league in the entirety of day 3 there. I don't see too many problems otherwise. Yeah we might have missed on guys like Jaleel Scott and Iman Marshall but that's kind of the norm to me.
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and i only went up to the same class that marklar did - it's not been stunning after powers but... rotational guys like geno stone and broderick washington are still ok picks

and 2022 generally looks promising as a group (but far too early to tell)

the one that really has disappointed me (mostly because of injuries) is Daelin Hayes - he's the day 3 guy i was most excited about in 2021 and was really hyped about him in year 2 but he's been a no-show and then had his season ended by injury basically before it began both years (and tbf that was a problem at notre dame too)
 
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