The General Front 7 Thread

[RavensMania]

Just to show off how incredible I would be as a gm (joking) I just want to list every player I wanted us to draft.
2012: Man I never loved a player coming out of college than Harrison Smith. I was a huge ND football fan then for some reason I can''t tell you. I remember getting in the car after track practice and hearing that Harrison was picked at 29. I was so happy and fully believed he was the next Troy Polo. Hindsight, I can say I was right on this one. Upshaw didn't really do shit for us. I think he had 30 games straight without a sack.
2013: Ouch this draft was awful in every place. 4 Players this draft I really wanted. 3 were picked after us and one I thought would be our pick. I wanted Bjorn Warner, but he was gone. I really really wanted DeAndre Hopkins, but I didn't think he would make it to us. I then wanted Alec Olgetree. When we were on the pick I was begging for Keenan Allen. He was the first-round talent but dropped. Hindsight: If we somehow got Hopkins, damn. Anything would have been better than Pot salesman Matt Elam.
2014: I really wanted Brandon Cooks. He and Mosley are the same level, but Mosley fits us. I approve.
2015: Would have died for Marcus Peters. Wouldn't we all have though? I also wanted Landon Collins, but once again, I wasn't special.
2016: I wanted Bosa, but he went to high. I was shocked we didn't take Tunsil until the video came out. I refuse to give Ozzie credit for making a very good pick considering the other 5 options that high were God Damn Carson Wentz, Goff, Bosa, Eliot, and Ramsey. I think we can all agree Stanley is amazing and what we needed, but all 5 of those players are superior.
2017: I really wanted Jonathan Allen and I was shocked we didn't take him. Also wanted to trade for Hooker when he dropped. Too early to tell here.

Okay if any of you are still reading, my point wasn't that I should be a Gm. It was that Ozzie thinks he is some kind of genius, he ignores simple stuff, focusing on what they could be, not what they were. I know it is crazy, but I'd say 90% had better first round records predicted than Ozzie sucking Bama ****. Option: Upshaw, Elam, Mosley, Perriman, Stanley, Humps, or Harrison Smith, Keenan Allen, Brandon Cooks, Landon Collins, Stanley, Allen? I just think Ozzie needs to retire.

Most teams don’t do well in the middle rounds. Ozzie does very well for the most part, of course they don’t all become starters, but if they do, that’s more than you can ask for.

 

[purplepittabread88]

Most teams don’t do well in the middle rounds. Ozzie does very well for the most part, of course they don’t all become starters, but if they do, that’s more than you can ask for.

We do fairly well in the middle rounds, it's all these busts in the first and second that bother me

 

[rossihunter2]

We do fairly well in the middle rounds, it's all these busts in the first and second that bother me

its why we have a lot of great depth (and will probably win preseason games until the end of time) but struggle to find playmakers and superstars - its because weve missed on too many high profile high picks

 

[Ravensnation5220]

its why we have a lot of great depth (and will probably win preseason games until the end of time) but struggle to find playmakers and superstars - its because weve missed on too many high profile high picks

Its especially noticable on offense since we havent drafted much and when we do they turn out like crap

 

[rossihunter2]

Its especially noticable on offense since we havent drafted much and when we do they turn out like crap

maybe that's why we went all defence in the last draft - ozzie and co had a groupthink and were like "well any picks we make for the offence are gonna be wasted anyway so might as well go all defence... all in favour say aye..."

 

[purplepittabread88]

its why we have a lot of great depth (and will probably win preseason games until the end of time) but struggle to find playmakers and superstars - its because weve missed on too many high profile high picks

Everyone thinks cleaning house with the draft team is the clear answer, I think someone needs to make the main decision for the first round pick that isn't Ozzie. I think Ozzie still can find us late round talent, but I don't want Ozzie to be Jerry Jones or late Al Davis by drafting what he loves, 10 + years after it stopped working

 

[RaineV1]

Everyone thinks cleaning house with the draft team is the clear answer, I think someone needs to make the main decision for the first round pick that isn't Ozzie. I think Ozzie still can find us late round talent, but I don't want Ozzie to be Jerry Jones or late Al Davis by drafting what he loves, 10 + years after it stopped working

Well, Ozzie hasn't exactly been horrible in the first round. Since 2011 he's gotten us Jimmy Smith, Mosley, Ronnie Stanley, and Humphrey (who seems like the real deal so far).

 

[purplepittabread88]

Well, Ozzie hasn't exactly been horrible in the first round. Since 2011 he's gotten us Jimmy Smith, Mosley, Ronnie Stanley, and Humphrey (who seems like the real deal so far).

You see, my problem is why did we trade back for Upshaw when Harrison Smith was on the board. Why did we take Terrance Cody, who was clearly had a weight problem? Why did we take Perriman, who showed a single above average trait of speed, paired with one of the worst drop rates of a 1st round receiver ever? Also, his knee disorder of Osgood-Schlatter disease was well known, how did that not come up as a red flag! Matt Elam? Jeez did anyone think a 5'8 safety with awful ball skills and bad tackling technique was a good choice? What I'm saying here is this is not hindsight of 20-20. All of these issues made our picks major head scratchers. I would be completely okay with the misses and hits in the first round if our team was good, but we have the worst rush defense in the league, the worst passing offense in the league, 0 playmakers, and one playoff appearance in the last 4 years (soon to be 1/5) That is what pisses me off.

 

[purplepittabread88]

For Mosley, we can't even act like that was a brilliant pick, he would have had to really try to f that up. The only way you could really go wrong was Jonny football. In 2014, the 9 players before Mosley were: Anthony Barr, Eric Ebron, Taylor Lewan, Odelle Beckham, Aaron Donald, Kyle Fuller, Ryan Shazier, Zach Martin. Right after Mosley in the next 4 picks, two were Brandin Cooks and Ha-HaClitdix. He is a great MLb, but it doesn't change that we are going to allow over 2,600 yards rushing this year.

 

[Jacquouille]

You see, my problem is why did we trade back for Upshaw when Harrison Smith was on the board. Why did we take Terrance Cody, who was clearly had a weight problem? Why did we take Perriman, who showed a single above average trait of speed, paired with one of the worst drop rates of a 1st round receiver ever? Also, his knee disorder of Osgood-Schlatter disease was well known, how did that not come up as a red flag! Matt Elam? Jeez did anyone think a 5'8 safety with awful ball skills and bad tackling technique was a good choice? What I'm saying here is this is not hindsight of 20-20. All of these issues made our picks major head scratchers. I would be completely okay with the misses and hits in the first round if our team was good, but we have the worst rush defense in the league, the worst passing offense in the league, 0 playmakers, and one playoff appearance in the last 4 years (soon to be 1/5) That is what pisses me off.

It's very easy talking this way about misses. Jimmy was a knucklehead and didn't have great ball skills, Mosley had shoulder issues, Ray Ray was undersized... Every prospect has his own issues.

 

[Davesta]

We just don't have an eye for drafting good WRs. I wanted Keenan Allen, Allen Robinson, marqise lee, stefon diggs, and Chris Godwin bad.

I remember before the perriman pick, I kept telling myself "please anyone but perriman.." shame.

Maybe we can hire a ex steeler scout and have him tell us the secret to drafting WRs.

 

[BloodRaven]

We just don't have an eye for drafting good WRs. I wanted Keenan Allen, Allen Robinson, marqise lee, stefon diggs, and Chris Godwin bad.

I remember before the perriman pick, I kept telling myself "please anyone but perriman.." shame.

Maybe we can hire a ex steeler scout and have him tell us the secret to drafting WRs.

They might not have amounted to anything in our aenemic offense. Keenan Allen would be a paraplegic.

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

They might not have amounted to anything in our aenemic offense. Keenan Allen would be a paraplegic.

I think Keenan Allen would actually thrive in our offense. Actually catches the ball, runs great routes, and can get himself open (because, hey, our OC can't scheme to save his life). He's exactly the type of WR that Joe likes.

In any case, I don't know if it's the scouts or Ozzie making the decisions on which WRs they should draft, but holy shit do they suck at it. They would have better luck grabbing a random Ravens fan out of the draft audience and letting him/her pick out a WR.

 

[BloodRaven]

I think Keenan Allen would actually thrive in our offense. Actually catches the ball, runs great routes, and can get himself open (because, hey, our OC can't scheme to save his life). He's exactly the type of WR that Joe likes.

In any case, I don't know if it's the scouts or Ozzie making the decisions on which WRs they should draft, but holy shit do they suck at it. They would have better luck grabbing a random Ravens fan out of the draft audience and letting him/her pick out a WR.

Allen is talented for sure but hes an injury bust, he has minimal production because he cant stay healthy which is something we dont need more of. One of those other guys? Sure. But not Allen.

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

Allen is talented for sure but hes an injury bust, he has minimal production because he cant stay healthy which is something we dont need more of. One of those other guys? Sure. But not Allen.

Yeah, that's true. It's a damn shame he's had all of those injuries (especially when I've had him in fantasy lol) because he's one of the best WRs in the league when healthy.

 

[Sooky]

Allen is talented for sure but hes an injury bust, he has minimal production because he cant stay healthy which is something we dont need more of. One of those other guys? Sure. But not Allen.

Yeah but most of Allen's injuries are freak injuries that you can't predict and it was just all bad luck. Who knows he may not have had any injuries if he came to Baltimore. Allen is the receiver I wanted here so badly and he has the hands and routes to get open which is what he team needs.

 

[BloodRaven]

Yeah but most of Allen's injuries are freak injuries that you can't predict and it was just all bad luck. Who knows he may not have had any injuries if he came to Baltimore. Allen is the receiver I wanted here so badly and he has the hands and routes to get open which is what he team needs.

Hes had some bad luck injuries for sure, but hes also had janky ankle and knee problems going back to college. Hes missed games for bone breaks, soft tissue damage, sprains, tears all over his body.

 

[Davesta]

if we're talking about injuries as the reason why we probably passed on Keenan Allen, you can throw stefon diggs in that convo as well. Even so, I'm salty we passed on both. Oh, and marqise lee.

But hey, at least we got perriman

 

[RavensMania]

if we're talking about injuries as the reason why we probably passed on Keenan Allen, you can throw stefon diggs in that convo as well. Even so, I'm salty we passed on both. Oh, and marqise lee.

But hey, at least we got perriman

Diggs injuries were really flucky in college.

 

[Truth]

Young I like. Dixon has issues and Judon has flashed. Has a long way b4 u label him a difference maker. Pierce I like but is kinda disappointing. Pierce would better serve himself carefully cutting to about 305 lbs and play more of a penetrating role. He can cut to 295-305lbs with no loss in power if he is careful. All that strength in a more explosive frame would be awesome. He would actually play stronger cuz off the extra explosion. His play style and skill set I think is more reminiscent of a penetrator. One that can hold his spot and occupy blocks when necessary.

Off topic I know. On topic I don't like the Humph pick at all!! At least as a cornerback. If Reshard can walk a straight line he is far better than Humph. It isn't even close!! However if Humph is even average in coverage it would mean he is great in coverage for a SS. He would be a very rare athlete for a SS. That is one thing I'll give Oz. Maybe he knew Humph was a safe pick cuz if he is only an average cornerback he could be a very very rare SS. Even if he is average in coverage for a cornerback and even slightly above average. Then that is bettter than any SS in coverage. He would be able to handle coverage tasks no team could ever ask their SS to do. Which would make him a very rare and valuable chess piece. His power and tackling could even see him line up as a Linebacker on some plays. And his coverage skills would be very rare and valuable from the LB position. Which would make him quite a flexible commodity.

How can Pierce be disappointing as a former UDFA? He's turned into an above average starter; he's an upper-tier run defender, highlighted by the fact that he's tied Linval Joseph and Khalil Mack for most run stops among defensive linemen and edge rushers. He also isn't a liability as a pass rusher, which is more than acceptable for someone predominantly playing at 0T. Had he been an early selection, he'd probably be meeting or exceeding expectations. For a UDFA, he's arguably been one of the best values over the past few years.