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WR/RB Thread

RavensMania said:
Yep, seen the show and I think you hit the nail on the head.
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TheCity5 said:
Just curious if it's not chemistry or anything related to that then what could it be? If a player simply cannot play or anything of that nature, you usually hear about it prior to the season from coaches. Before his injury Perriman was said to be having the best off-season out of everyone and that came from Pitta. Usually coaches talk up a player and you can pass it off as just words of encouragement, but when players do it you can definitely say its legit because its not often that they do. Even Jimmy has given him praise and you don't often see a defensive back do that.

There's a reason why he hasn't tumbled down the depth chart and it's because the guy can play. Usually you see teams be ruthless to 1st round picks by what you've seen with what the Vikings and Eagles have done with Laquan Dreadwell and Nelson Agholor. Some people might say that because he's a 1st round picks we've been handing him opportunities but you don't see Maxx Williams get that type of treatment. The coaches made it known that there are parts of his game he has to fix and he's usually 3rd on the TE depth chart and clawing for targets. Nick Boyle and Ben Watson are coming from time off and even they're higher than him on the depth chart and snap counts.

Joe might love big plays but we haven't seen him even attempt a single pass. We know Joe could air it out, he doesn't even need to hit Perriman on target, just simply throw it deep just to keep the defense on its heels and yet we haven't seen that once.
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That's a good question, but I would say it's a combination of his and Joe's extended missed time. The "chemistry" they build this offseason was fragile and could very well have slowed down with the time they missed. On the other hand, you can say BP is a litttle rusty and needs some time to be back at 100% (hammies are tricky as hell) and Joe hasn't dared to air it out yet, which is fine because the gameplan allowed him easy completions that led to long drives for the offense, which is what we want to keep the defense fresh. Flacco just hasn't looked to his WR a lot, period. I think it's a question of time for the both of them. I don't think it'll come this week (JAX has two excellent boundary corners, but no slot, so all targets will go to JMac), but against the Steelers and Raiders we should start to see some deep shots.
 
People give Perriman a hard time, but he hasn't had even a full preseason load of work yet of the last 3 years combined. He has big play potential he showed that last season. He was 4/10 Ravens' biggest plays of 2016 on NFL Network. I am tired of everyone saying he can't play. He can but each injury sets both his body and his craft behind. He was already raw as hell coming out of school and with his injury record he really hasn't been able to get more fine-tuned.

Perriman and Wallace haven't been needed thus far because of the early leads we have been having. And it is a good thing because the last couple years we couldn't run the ball and put opponents out of reach. If this was last season, the Browns would've climbed back into the game because of the consistent 3 and outs our offense would have because the run game was not successful.

Wallace will be fine too. He showed last season he finds soft spots in the defense more often than Steve Smith did last season. But man does he drive me crazy when he pulls up off of a route. There was an interception last season where he did the same thing. His and Joe's miscommunication has shown up a few times the past two seasons now.
 
Tank said:
I became a huge Camp fan watching him at Wake and hoped he would somehow end up a Raven. When we traded for a 7th and picked him up I was ecstatic as I knew he had the talent and cojones to be an X factor type player. Sadly, his body is just not holding up and while I remain hopeful that things will change, I think it's ore likely they don't.
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Camp ankle injury doesn't seem serious. He was on the injury report list last week with the same injury and played against The Browns on sunday. After he didn't practiced on Wednesday which I think it was just the coaching staff giving him some time to rest it was stated that he practiced fully on Thursday. Honestly it's one thing when a player is on the injury list and it's another when the player is on the injury list and can't play.
 
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Lost_In_Translation said:
Runs poor routes and drops easy passes I'll give you. He's infuriating at times. And I'm a fan of his.

Plays small? That's a load of horseshit.


Wide receivers who play small don't make that catch. That's perfect coverage by Gillmore, he's tackled going down to the ground with the defender in his face. It's textbook putting the trust in your WR, and a fucking horrible decision by Joe that paid off. Torrey Smith drops that ball.. That's a WR who plays small.


High points the ball, gets crushed by the DB. Still holds onto it. Torrey wouldn't even high point the damn ball, let alone hold onto it.

Put him one on one with a CB in a jump ball situation and there's a good chance he wins(and he caught far more than Torrey ever did for us last season so don't give me that shit). I mean, he's not Anquan Boldin or anything, but he ain't a slob in that department. He actually gets physical, which is a big reason why @Truth loved the dude so much.

And his hands are weird. He can make the spectacular catch all day long. But the easy ones? Can't do it on a consistent basis. Usually with young WRs it's the opposite problem. Good over the middle with the easy stuff. Most WR's can't make some of the tougher catches he can.


The body control he displays here is fucking awesome and rare.

He needs a lot of work. But I'll give Perriman this. He can make the big play, and dudes who do that have value in the NFL. Remember Robert Meachem? Yeah, first round pick for the saints who makes frustrating drops and did stupid shit sometimes, yet he could make the big play. Yet, Sean Payton(who I wish we had an offensive genius like that) turned him into a big play machine back when the Saints were good and properly utilized him. Perriman is that right now(we don't exactly use the dude right but whatever) with a hell of a lot more potential. Oh, and Meachem got pretty nice contract too when he left the Saints(and sucked because Sean Payton is a mastermind). Perriman has Demariyus Thomas type of potential. Oh, and he got off to a slow start to his career due to injuries too. Oh... And Thomas had literally the same exact issues coming out of school as well and he's clearly a #1 WR. That Broncos team has two of them.... Not fair.

And quite frankly, Perriman's made a lot of improvements last year during the regular season. All things considered, last year he had a solid year, outperformed my expectations and I liked him coming out of school.

So yeah. Way too early to judge still. It's technically Perriman's second year playing in the league. I'm giving him one more year before giving up hope
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RavensMania said:
Plays small. That's a laugh, @Lost_In_Translation already tore you another one. I don't have anything left to say, but do your research next time, when you are going to make a statement like that.
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RavensMania said:
Plays small. That's a laugh, @Lost_In_Translation already tore you another one. I don't have anything left to say, but do your research next time, when you are going to make a statement like that.
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Yeah Perriman has shown very little at this point. I dont see a big strong receiver going up and snatching the ball like a Brandon Marshall. , thus I feel he plays small.

At this point Perriman is a bust . But maybe we will see something by his 4th or 5th year. I'm not holding my breath.
 
ravenslord said:
Yeah Perriman has shown very little at this point. I dont see a big strong receiver going up and snatching the ball like a Brandon Marshall. , thus I feel he plays small.

At this point Perriman is a bust . But maybe we will see something by his 4th or 5th year. I'm not holding my breath.
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visual proof that your assessment is dead wrong....

Still claim to be right....
 
ravenslord said:
Injuries are part of the game . They were not freak injuries
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They are a part of the game that didn't hinder Torrey smith nearly as much as perriman.

And yes, they're freak injuries, it's not a lingering soft tissue injury or a repeated thing like campanaro, he had a tear in each knee in separate seasons.

What the hell are you even trying to argue here? What is the deal with this wave of new posters who know jack shit about actual on field play and can only reference stats with no context at all?
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
They are a part of the game that didn't hinder Torrey smith nearly as much as perriman.

And yes, they're freak injuries, it's not a lingering soft tissue injury or a repeated thing like campanaro, he had a tear in each knee in separate seasons.

What the hell are you even trying to argue here? What is the deal with this wave of new posters who know jack shit about actual on field play and can only reference stats with no context at all?
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They they aren’t . A mcl year and a hamstring pull are common injuries in the NFL .
It’s you who doesn’t know jack shit if you think those are freak injuries in the NFL .
 
I am tired at this point of the coaching staff forcing players out there and not putting them in the best position to succeed.

Perriman needs to play, PERIOD. We drafted him way to high to put him in once in a while and get mad when he drops one ball or sees 3 targets. Where is the game planning to get him open to the best of his ability? Where the FUCK is Maxx Williams?

Alex Collins seems to have more pop than any of our RB's not named Dixon. Why is he not on the field more? Where are the cross patterns to give these guys a shot at YAC?
 
ravenslord said:
They they aren’t . A mcl year and a hamstring pull are common injuries in the NFL .
It’s you who doesn’t know jack shit if you think those are freak injuries in the NFL .
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semantics, not like the term freak injury can be used in twenty different fucking contexts. A freak injury can be used to describe any injury that just happens out of nowhere.

Just like out of nowhere, he tore his pcl and missed his rookie year, it was a freak occurrence, and the next year he had a minor tear in the opposite knee, another freak occurrence. The hamstring though? Maybe not, that can be chalked up to conditioning, who knows. But each knee injury was a freak occurrence.

So now that your stupid ass semantics are out of the way and I had to spoon feed you some basic verbiage, can you maybe say something worth reading or are you gonna just continue to state useless shit like "Torrey was better hurrdurr".
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
semantics, not like the term freak injury can be used in twenty different fucking contexts. A freak injury can be used to describe any injury that just happens out of nowhere.

Just like out of nowhere, he tore his pcl and missed his rookie year, it was a freak occurrence, and the next year he had a minor tear in the opposite knee, another freak occurrence. The hamstring though? Maybe not, that can be chalked up to conditioning, who knows. But each knee injury was a freak occurrence.

So now that your stupid ass semantics are out of the way and I had to spoon feed you some basic verbiage, can you maybe say something worth reading or are you gonna just continue to state useless shit like "Torrey was better hurrdurr".
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Hey snowflake , mcl tears aren’t freak injuries in the NFL . They happen pretty regularly .
 
ravenslord said:
Hey snowflake , mcl tears aren’t freak injuries in the NFL . They happen pretty regularly .
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I think you misunderstand a freak injury - a freak injury is one you can't predict or prepare for... even if they are common around the league their unpredictability and the conditions where they happen make them freak injuries
 
gtalk12 said:
I am tired at this point of the coaching staff forcing players out there and not putting them in the best position to succeed.

Perriman needs to play, PERIOD. We drafted him way to high to put him in once in a while and get mad when he drops one ball or sees 3 targets. Where is the game planning to get him open to the best of his ability? Where the FUCK is Maxx Williams?

Alex Collins seems to have more pop than any of our RB's not named Dixon. Why is he not on the field more? Where are the cross patterns to give these guys a shot at YAC?
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Not sure where Perriman was today, but Maxx was injured last week and inactive.
 
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