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Yo so the more and more research and tape I watch from Harold Landry the more im convinced hes the next great pass rusher. He could get double digit sacks his rookie season. His hand usage is much much better than people give him credit for. Hes also strong at the point of attack and if size is anyones concern? Von Miller, Demarcus Lawrence, Vic Beasley, and Harold Landry are all the same size. Oh and Landry had more bench reps than all of them.

Anyone that says he only wins on outside moves is seeing him totally wrong. He knows he can win outside even if their expecting it. His bend is unreal.
 
I do not think Jimmy is going to return as the same player tbh. Humphrey might have a down year due to sophomore slump and Young should be fine. Resigning Carr was a questionable use of resources that we should've just used better.

I would not complain at all if we invested another higher round pick in a corner.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
I do not think Jimmy is going to return as the same player tbh. Humphrey might have a down year due to sophomore slump and Young should be fine. Resigning Carr was a questionable use of resources that we should've just used better.

I would not complain at all if we invested another higher round pick in a corner.
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Why not just get a pass rusher instead??? Our outside pass rush wasnt very consistent last year and im not sure how much production we can expect from Suggs. Judon, Bowser, and Timmy are nice but i wouldnt mind throwing in Harold Landry into that young core. Pass rush always helps the secondary
 
redrum52 said:
It's comical how quickly some will flip on a player just because they hit FA and took advantage of their situation.



Jimmy is probably our best or 2nd best player on the team excluding Tucker. He's also my favorite, but if we got an offer of significant value (2nd or better, though, I doubt it) NEXT year, I'd take it. Team could be in for major change next year depending how this season goes.
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We would probably be offered a 4th at best for him.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
I do not think Jimmy is going to return as the same player tbh. Humphrey might have a down year due to sophomore slump and Young should be fine. Resigning Carr was a questionable use of resources that we should've just used better.

I would not complain at all if we invested another higher round pick in a corner.
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If has a bad year its cause of he was asked to do more than what he was asked to do in his rookie year.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
I do not think Jimmy is going to return as the same player tbh. Humphrey might have a down year due to sophomore slump and Young should be fine. Resigning Carr was a questionable use of resources that we should've just used better.

I would not complain at all if we invested another higher round pick in a corner.
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i dont really understand what you're saying - if jimmy doesnt return as the same player and humphrey slumps then carr is even more important to have on the team (not to mention that you are assuming a player coming back from a season out is gonna just be fine coming straight back into the team)

either way we would need almost everything in our secondary to go the worst way possible for this secondary to not be good heading into next year...

  • marlon would have to take a serious step backwards (which im really not expecting given how well he played all year long)
  • jimmy would have to not return in time for the start of the regular season and also be at reduced capacity (not unlikely i expect him to be slow to improve albeit i dont expect him to ultimately be worse once he does recover but it might take a frustrating amount of time for him to get back to his best)
  • tavon would have to have had some sort of complication with his injury that stops him from returning at the level he left
  • jaylen hill would also have to come back with a bad/slow recovery
  • canady would have to somehow regress through the offseason rather than improve (as you would expect from a player who didnt have much practice time last season or game time yet still came back to play at a high level)
  • brandon carr would have to decline rapidly and be used solely in man coverage on the opposing team's number 1 receiver (he would also have to somehow be number 1/2 on the depth chart at outside corner for the whole year)
  • weddle would have to decline a significant amount (possible but unlikely that he falls off a cliff)
  • jefferson would have to show decline (unlikely - he likely improves given his age, increasing comfort - you'd hope and expect - in the scheme as well as the fact that he essentially had a down year)
  • chuck clark would have to disappear back to obscurity
  • anthony levine would have to forget how to play dimebacker
i dont know that i see all of those things happening - and most are unlikely
the only 2 parts of that list that i'd be legitimately considering as potential issues is jimmy not recovering quickly from his injury and it lingering into the season and lowering the general level of his play and weddle potentially declining (and maybe you could add in jaylen hill given that his injury looked quite nasty and happened later in the year)
 
i know everyone here loves hump, but im not sold on him till i see improvement with his ball awarness, instincts when ball in the air, route anticipation or whatever you wanna call it. He plays decent cvg, ive always said that but i just dont see those certain intangibles that can raise his game. Kind of like aj bouye. Bouye plays great cvg, but alot of times he dont look up for the ball. Hump doesnt need to have sherman like skills but i wanna see some sort of improvement.
 
Marlon Humphrey showed he will be a #1 corner one day and you saw it when he was covering AB he very rarely found separation. Then AB went against Carr and went for 200+ yards and he is a solid veteran in this league.

But Jimmy Smith is going to be a Raven for at least a couple years. And anybody who thinks he should be traded needs to go watch his film. It is unfortunate he gets injured but when he is healthy he is a top tier cornerback. And him being able to play at that level even after as many injuries he has had is incredible. It isn't just last year it is previous years where the Ravens secondary is going into the final 4-5 games as a top 5 pass defense and then the 4 games he is gone the team drops into the teens or twenties in passing defense in just a few games.

Jimmy Smith also effects how effective the run defense is. With him the team is able to have him shut down an entire side of the field by himself. Which lets a linebacker or safety be able to help against the run. When healthy I think Jimmy Smith is the most valuable player on the team.
 
Deebo813 said:
i know everyone here loves hump, but im not sold on him till i see improvement with his ball awarness, instincts when ball in the air, route anticipation or whatever you wanna call it. He plays decent cvg, ive always said that but i just dont see those certain intangibles that can raise his game. Kind of like aj bouye. Bouye plays great cvg, but alot of times he dont look up for the ball. Hump doesnt need to have sherman like skills but i wanna see some sort of improvement.
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i mean he already showed improvement from his college days last year in that element - there were only a couple of plays i can remember where he didnt look back for the ball - and then there were other times where he made great plays with the ball in the air - if he can develop his hands so that he can turn some of his PDs into Ints then i think he's going to develop into a brilliant player
 
Sooky said:
Jimmy Smith also effects how effective the run defense is. With him the team is able to have him shut down an entire side of the field by himself. Which lets a linebacker or safety be able to help against the run. When healthy I think Jimmy Smith is the most valuable player on the team.
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I'd personally give the edge to CJ as more valuable just because of how he runs the defence (and remember how our defence fell apart without CJ when he went down a couple years ago) but it's definitely close between him and jimmy
 
rossihunter2 said:
I'd personally give the edge to CJ as more valuable just because of how he runs the defence (and remember how our defence fell apart without CJ when he went down a couple years ago) but it's definitely close between him and jimmy
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While I do think Mosley is very important I think the team fell apart more when Smith was gone. But if I had to rate the most valuable defensive players it would have to go 1. Smith 2. Mosley 3. Suggs 4. BWill. I feel like our defense falls apart when any one of them are gone which is why I am afraid for Suggs' retirement. It is hard to gauge if any of them are more important than the other. But even if one is gone the defense goes from top in the league to mid 20s if not lower.
 
rossihunter2 said:
I'd personally give the edge to CJ as more valuable just because of how he runs the defence (and remember how our defence fell apart without CJ when he went down a couple years ago) but it's definitely close between him and jimmy
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Tbf our defense fell apart every season over the last couple of years. One year was the CB debacle, then Suggs, Jimmy and CJ and last year Jimmy and Brandon. I wouldn't give the edge to CJ per se, it's only because we had no depth behind him. I know we had Orr back then. Jimmy makes life for most of our defense so much easier. I hope we find Suggs successor this season.
 
rossihunter2 said:
I'd personally give the edge to CJ as more valuable just because of how he runs the defence (and remember how our defence fell apart without CJ when he went down a couple years ago) but it's definitely close between him and jimmy
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Remember how the defense falls apart every time Jimmy goes down...
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
I do not think Jimmy is going to return as the same player tbh. Humphrey might have a down year due to sophomore slump and Young should be fine. Resigning Carr was a questionable use of resources that we should've just used better.

I would not complain at all if we invested another higher round pick in a corner.
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It's not a bad price for him and he's always available. I don't think it would have been worth it to cut him.
 
Sooky said:
While I do think Mosley is very important I think the team fell apart more when Smith was gone. But if I had to rate the most valuable defensive players it would have to go 1. Smith 2. Mosley 3. Suggs 4. BWill. I feel like our defense falls apart when any one of them are gone which is why I am afraid for Suggs' retirement. It is hard to gauge if any of them are more important than the other. But even if one is gone the defense goes from top in the league to mid 20s if not lower.
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Huge Suggs fan, but I think he's hurting the development of the younger guys. I know, great to have him to learn from , but they need to get on the field.
 
redrum52 said:
Huge Suggs fan, but I think he's hurting the development of the younger guys. I know, great to have him to learn from , but they need to get on the field.
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i dont think its suggs that's holding them back, i think its his usage by the coaching staff - if we are able to reduce his snap count it does 2 things - it gets some younger faster and diverse players on the field and it also keeps suggs fresher
 
@rossihunter2 what are your thoughts on Harold Landry. Ive watched a bunch of him and i feel like his poor 2017 is overblown a bit. He looked really good before his injury and that injury really did his season in. Other than that his previous film screams top 15 pick. Had he declared after 2016 im not sure he makes it to us at 16 and thats no joke. Hes also had the best coaching you can ask for as a college pass rusher.
 
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