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Grim said:
So on OL we have Hurst, Stanley, and Brown as guys guaranteed to be here IMO. Yanda is a 50/50 because I really wouldn’t be surprised if he retires and I do wonder if Hurst is the groomed replacement for him and why we want to keep him on the right side. Anyway, we also have Eluemenor, Siragusa, and Bozeman and Skura. We also have Alex Lewis but I think it would be a mistake to rely on a guy with all these injuries but still he’s here so yeah. That’s Stanley, Brown JR, Hurst, Lewis, Bozeman, Siragusa, Eluemenor and Yanda if he returns. I definitely think we need a C but I don’t know if we need a G. I think it would be nice but not absolutely necessary. I would love to go and draft some elite OL but I don’t see one in the first round for us, do you? FA scares me for OL because it’s a true crapshoot.

I think we need to stop trying to get these Correa-Bowser type players. They’re not working out for us. I still think Bowser could amount to something, though; however, I am concerned. I have hope Judon can emerge from his situation but I am not sure he’ll ever be that elite threat unlike Tim Williams who may be one of our better picks of late. I always look for guys who stack games not just flash and die down. I’m very worried about our pass rushers when we lose Suggs
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I think we need a C but if we can't get one I definitely think we should highly consider a G. Hurst did sign an extension but it was cheap deal so the dead money isn't a big deal, plus he can be flexible when need be so he should have a spot on the roster even if we get someone here. Problem is outside of Yanda I see no maulers on this OL. We need somone physical who loves contact and will destroy LBs at the 2nd level. We could really use another Yanda/KO and it would go a long way for this offense. I like Hurst but somone who can play at a high level at the G position would present a major upgrade for the OL. I still highly prefer C and FWIW and I definitely would take a pass rusher over a G.
 
Grim said:
I think we need to stop trying to get these Correa-Bowser type players. They’re not working out for us. I still think Bowser could amount to something, though; however, I am concerned. I have hope Judon can emerge from his situation but I am not sure he’ll ever be that elite threat unlike Tim Williams who may be one of our better picks of late. I always look for guys who stack games not just flash and die down. I’m very worried about our pass rushers when we lose Suggs
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Absolutely, I think Correa and Bowser were Pees guys though, it makes more sense why Correa went on to get traded to Tennesse and Bowser is not really fitting in and I don't think he's Wink's prototypical linebacker. I think we just tried to do too much with those guys with them being a jack of all trades with athleticism. Problem is there was really nothing either of them excelled at. Tim Williams is a guy who while he didn't come into the league as an edge setter nor with much coverage abilities, had a pass rush that was ferocious. He's carved his role here while the two of them struggled to excell at anything. Another example is Courtney Upshaw who while wasn't much of a pass rusher at all was a guy who's bread and butter was setting the edge and funnelling runners to the inside. Bowser on the other hand has not found anything to warrent putting him on the field.

As far as Judon goes, one thing he does well as a pass rusher is finishing. He was 4th in the league in pressure converting to sacks but the issue is that he can't apply the pressure to begin with. If Judon could manage to put consistent pressure on the QB then he would be a really good player for us, problem is he lacks abilities to do just that.
 
I was really hoping bowser would turn into a good player because a Bowser jersey would just be dope. Such a cool name. Still hoping.
 
I posted this in the Saints post game thread, but I'm not sure how long that one will remain active, so cross posting here for visibility.

So, there were a few really big Jimmy plays that people were getting worked up over (Mike Thomas PI, Mike Thomas 32 yard reception, Tre'Quan Smith 29 yard reception, Mark Ingram 8 yard reception, Jimmy Smith DPI in the end zone). I watched all of them over again and here's my thoughts-

Not a fan of the Mike Thomas PI down the right sideline, but I understand what the referees saw. It looked like Thomas was putting up his arm to bar Jimmy from contesting and Jimmy hooked his arm in response. As the ball was on its downward arc, Jimmy unhooks and uses both arms to try to contest the ball. Thomas lunges and reaches out with his outside (right) arm, but continues to bar Jimmy, even with his arm free. At no point did Jimmy inhibit the catching motion of Thomas and I find it highly unlikely the ball is catchable, anyway. Jimmy was stride for stride and really had no reason to hook other than pure instinct. Avoidable play in the future.

On the Michael Thomas 32 yard reception, there isn't really anything to say other than Jimmy just got beat. Thomas just worked around him. I don't think it helps that Jimmy allowed a free release and was a bit flat footed as Thomas came into his outside release upfield, but this was simply Thomas outracing Smith.

On the Tre'Quan Smith sideline toe tap, I didn't spend a ton of time analyzing, but Jimmy and Tony Jefferson had a miscommunication. It was a zone and Jimmy looked like he thought he was going to take away the slot receiver and Jefferson would be over the top to pick up Tre'Quan and Jefferson thought the opposite. So, what happened was Jimmy fell off his man to take away the slot, expecting Jefferson to pick up Smith, sees Jefferson isn't over the top, and couldn't get back in time. That's a miscommunication that I expect to get worked out with more game time.

On the Mark Ingram catch, this one was much maligned, but I have news- it was a Cover 4 defense. That means Jimmy was actually responsible for the deep fourth of the field, not the underneath route to Ingram. I'd have to watch again to get the exact player, but one of Levine/Peanut/Young didn't get outside fast enough, thus the reception by Ingram.

The end zone DPI was actually a really huge head scratcher to me. It was 5-6 yards downfield (remember, blocking is only allowed within 1) and had the exact look of a pick route. Jimmy did nothing unusual by following his man. The only issue I can see is that Jimmy braced for impact, but there's literally nothing he could have done differently. It was 100% offensive OPI and the referees really got this one wrong.

I know a few people were getting really worked up with Jimmy and claiming he looked lost and questioning how he could be playing so poorly after he's played the prior two games (you know who you are), but nothing really stood out as Jimmy looking "lost" or really looking too off physically. I obviously disagree with the two DPI's, but I understand the one, one long reception is a miscommunication, and one wasn't even on him. Only one of those plays can we actually say, "Yeah, he just got beat." Really, I don't have much in the way of concerns anymore.

Was it a bad game? Sure, it was. Was it overblown by a few select posters? Yeah, absolutely.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I posted this in the Saints post game thread, but I'm not sure how long that one will remain active, so cross posting here for visibility.

So, there were a few really big Jimmy plays that people were getting worked up over (Mike Thomas PI, Mike Thomas 32 yard reception, Tre'Quan Smith 29 yard reception, Mark Ingram 8 yard reception, Jimmy Smith DPI in the end zone). I watched all of them over again and here's my thoughts-

Not a fan of the Mike Thomas PI down the right sideline, but I understand what the referees saw. It looked like Thomas was putting up his arm to bar Jimmy from contesting and Jimmy hooked his arm in response. As the ball was on its downward arc, Jimmy unhooks and uses both arms to try to contest the ball. Thomas lunges and reaches out with his outside (right) arm, but continues to bar Jimmy, even with his arm free. At no point did Jimmy inhibit the catching motion of Thomas and I find it highly unlikely the ball is catchable, anyway. Jimmy was stride for stride and really had no reason to hook other than pure instinct. Avoidable play in the future.

On the Michael Thomas 32 yard reception, there isn't really anything to say other than Jimmy just got beat. Thomas just worked around him. I don't think it helps that Jimmy allowed a free release and was a bit flat footed as Thomas came into his outside release upfield, but this was simply Thomas outracing Smith.

On the Tre'Quan Smith sideline toe tap, I didn't spend a ton of time analyzing, but Jimmy and Tony Jefferson had a miscommunication. It was a zone and Jimmy looked like he thought he was going to take away the slot receiver and Jefferson would be over the top to pick up Tre'Quan and Jefferson thought the opposite. So, what happened was Jimmy fell off his man to take away the slot, expecting Jefferson to pick up Smith, sees Jefferson isn't over the top, and couldn't get back in time. That's a miscommunication that I expect to get worked out with more game time.

On the Mark Ingram catch, this one was much maligned, but I have news- it was a Cover 4 defense. That means Jimmy was actually responsible for the deep fourth of the field, not the underneath route to Ingram. I'd have to watch again to get the exact player, but one of Levine/Peanut/Young didn't get outside fast enough, thus the reception by Ingram.

The end zone DPI was actually a really huge head scratcher to me. It was 5-6 yards downfield (remember, blocking is only allowed within 1) and had the exact look of a pick route. Jimmy did nothing unusual by following his man. The only issue I can see is that Jimmy braced for impact, but there's literally nothing he could have done differently. It was 100% offensive OPI and the referees really got this one wrong.

I know a few people were getting really worked up with Jimmy and claiming he looked lost and questioning how he could be playing so poorly after he's played the prior two games (you know who you are), but nothing really stood out as Jimmy looking "lost" or really looking too off physically. I obviously disagree with the two DPI's, but I understand the one, one long reception is a miscommunication, and one wasn't even on him. Only one of those plays can we actually say, "Yeah, he just got beat." Really, I don't have much in the way of concerns anymore.

Was it a bad game? Sure, it was. Was it overblown by a few select posters? Yeah, absolutely.
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Really only one select poster. In my articles I’m using an “if” thing. Because I can’t predict the future. Even I’m advocating for waiting a little longer.
 
Harbaugh got a lot of heat because he's reluctant to let the rookies start. But Marty is also heavily involved in this. For example he was asked why Hayden Hurst isn't more involved in this offense. His simple answer "well uhm ya much of that is me, there's a long-term plan for him".
 
Deebo813 said:
i remembered i reccieved hell for saying AP is a top 3 rb all time and saying how we should consider hom before we picked up collins: look at him now! Even though he lost a few steps he is still putting in work.
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Sandtown said:
It helps that The Redskins offensive line isn't bad at running blocking either. AP is the same guy that didn't look half as good with The Saints last year until he was traded to The Cardinals. I think this proves that no matter how good the offensive line is it starts with the level of run blocking and scheme.
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AP has been running the same way that he ran last year in arizona before the injury and the last time we saw him as a runner he looked like this too

my objections were always about him being a child beater and not about his running ability
and he didnt look half as good with the saints because he only got 4 carries a game at most (it just so happened that the saints had just drafted one of the best rbs in the nfl and already had a younger thumper they liked)

and this isnt about OL at all - AP has been running behind all lines and looking like a champ all the way
 
Deebo813 said:
so because he beats his kids and you dont, you dont like him? I honestly dont understand how people dislike him because he whooped his child makes zero sense to me.
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yes - that should never have been a viable method for raising children and it absolutely should not be considered an ok parenting method in the 21st century

violence is not an acceptable disciplining technique
 
Deebo813 said:
i mean plenty of people arent nfl players that will make headlines when they do it. Kids are pretty brittle just like all women. They can literally be pinched and skin could turn purple or lesve a bruise. Its not like he knocked his wife out in an elevator or anything
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you're trolling right?
 
From Twitter:

Fast fact: there are more active quarterbacks who were drafted from 2000 to 2005 than active quarterbacks who were drafted from 2006 to 2011.
 
TheCity5 said:
I think we need a C but if we can't get one I definitely think we should highly consider a G. Hurst did sign an extension but it was cheap deal so the dead money isn't a big deal, plus he can be flexible when need be so he should have a spot on the roster even if we get someone here. Problem is outside of Yanda I see no maulers on this OL. We need somone physical who loves contact and will destroy LBs at the 2nd level. We could really use another Yanda/KO and it would go a long way for this offense. I like Hurst but somone who can play at a high level at the G position would present a major upgrade for the OL. I still highly prefer C and FWIW and I definitely would take a pass rusher over a G.
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That’s how I see it too so I personally would put some WR and an OLB higher than OL but I’m not saying take an OL UDFA or late round but more like mid round or higher if someone slips. It’s hard to draft an OL early unless you have a spot to immediately plug them into and play otherwise you have issues where a 3rd round pick isn’t playing.

TheCity5 said:
Absolutely, I think Correa and Bowser were Pees guys though, it makes more sense why Correa went on to get traded to Tennesse and Bowser is not really fitting in and I don't think he's Wink's prototypical linebacker. I think we just tried to do too much with those guys with them being a jack of all trades with athleticism. Problem is there was really nothing either of them excelled at. Tim Williams is a guy who while he didn't come into the league as an edge setter nor with much coverage abilities, had a pass rush that was ferocious. He's carved his role here while the two of them struggled to excell at anything. Another example is Courtney Upshaw who while wasn't much of a pass rusher at all was a guy who's bread and butter was setting the edge and funnelling runners to the inside. Bowser on the other hand has not found anything to warrent putting him on the field.

As far as Judon goes, one thing he does well as a pass rusher is finishing. He was 4th in the league in pressure converting to sacks but the issue is that he can't apply the pressure to begin with. If Judon could manage to put consistent pressure on the QB then he would be a really good player for us, problem is he lacks abilities to do just that.
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Yeah maybe that’s it on Pees wanting those type of guys. I just hope someone pans out among our young guys because we can’t afford for none of them to develop. I’d agree on Judon he has that potential but I doubt he’ll ever be your #1 guy more like a complement but he first needs to clean up his penalties.

29BmoreBird22 said:
I posted this in the Saints post game thread, but I'm not sure how long that one will remain active, so cross posting here for visibility.

So, there were a few really big Jimmy plays that people were getting worked up over (Mike Thomas PI, Mike Thomas 32 yard reception, Tre'Quan Smith 29 yard reception, Mark Ingram 8 yard reception, Jimmy Smith DPI in the end zone). I watched all of them over again and here's my thoughts-

Not a fan of the Mike Thomas PI down the right sideline, but I understand what the referees saw. It looked like Thomas was putting up his arm to bar Jimmy from contesting and Jimmy hooked his arm in response. As the ball was on its downward arc, Jimmy unhooks and uses both arms to try to contest the ball. Thomas lunges and reaches out with his outside (right) arm, but continues to bar Jimmy, even with his arm free. At no point did Jimmy inhibit the catching motion of Thomas and I find it highly unlikely the ball is catchable, anyway. Jimmy was stride for stride and really had no reason to hook other than pure instinct. Avoidable play in the future.

On the Michael Thomas 32 yard reception, there isn't really anything to say other than Jimmy just got beat. Thomas just worked around him. I don't think it helps that Jimmy allowed a free release and was a bit flat footed as Thomas came into his outside release upfield, but this was simply Thomas outracing Smith.

On the Tre'Quan Smith sideline toe tap, I didn't spend a ton of time analyzing, but Jimmy and Tony Jefferson had a miscommunication. It was a zone and Jimmy looked like he thought he was going to take away the slot receiver and Jefferson would be over the top to pick up Tre'Quan and Jefferson thought the opposite. So, what happened was Jimmy fell off his man to take away the slot, expecting Jefferson to pick up Smith, sees Jefferson isn't over the top, and couldn't get back in time. That's a miscommunication that I expect to get worked out with more game time.

On the Mark Ingram catch, this one was much maligned, but I have news- it was a Cover 4 defense. That means Jimmy was actually responsible for the deep fourth of the field, not the underneath route to Ingram. I'd have to watch again to get the exact player, but one of Levine/Peanut/Young didn't get outside fast enough, thus the reception by Ingram.

The end zone DPI was actually a really huge head scratcher to me. It was 5-6 yards downfield (remember, blocking is only allowed within 1) and had the exact look of a pick route. Jimmy did nothing unusual by following his man. The only issue I can see is that Jimmy braced for impact, but there's literally nothing he could have done differently. It was 100% offensive OPI and the referees really got this one wrong.

I know a few people were getting really worked up with Jimmy and claiming he looked lost and questioning how he could be playing so poorly after he's played the prior two games (you know who you are), but nothing really stood out as Jimmy looking "lost" or really looking too off physically. I obviously disagree with the two DPI's, but I understand the one, one long reception is a miscommunication, and one wasn't even on him. Only one of those plays can we actually say, "Yeah, he just got beat." Really, I don't have much in the way of concerns anymore.

Was it a bad game? Sure, it was. Was it overblown by a few select posters? Yeah, absolutely.
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Thanks for going back and watching and posting this. It’s hard to really see everything when you’re watching and sometimes it’s easy to get distracted so this was nice to have a better picture of what happened. It also makes more sense too. I totally forgot he was coming off an injury to his Achilles and only remembered the suspensions and now he’s hurt again. I definitely think it’s too early to say Jimmy is done.
 
Grim said:
That’s how I see it too so I personally would put some WR and an OLB higher than OL but I’m not saying take an OL UDFA or late round but more like mid round or higher if someone slips. It’s hard to draft an OL early unless you have a spot to immediately plug them into and play otherwise you have issues where a 3rd round pick isn’t playing.


Yeah maybe that’s it on Pees wanting those type of guys. I just hope someone pans out among our young guys because we can’t afford for none of them to develop. I’d agree on Judon he has that potential but I doubt he’ll ever be your #1 guy more like a complement but he first needs to clean up his penalties.


Thanks for going back and watching and posting this. It’s hard to really see everything when you’re watching and sometimes it’s easy to get distracted so this was nice to have a better picture of what happened. It also makes more sense too. I totally forgot he was coming off an injury to his Achilles and only remembered the suspensions and now he’s hurt again. I definitely think it’s too early to say Jimmy is done.
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Yeah it would suck having 3rd round pick not on the field. I do think having a day 1 Starter would present a major upgrade but as you said it depends on Yanda.

And yeah, it provides more clarity on Jimmy because I unloaded on him after Sunday. I hope he bounces back but I’m really just frustrated with the fact that he’s rarely in peak performance. Iv gone back to watch some of the film and I have to say you were spot on with the playcalling. It’s becoming a big issue and one play in particular that I hated was the Lamar Jackson pass to John Brown. If you going to throw on 3rd why not have Joe run that play? I felt like it was a 1st read throw and he could’ve had Hayden Hurst for a 1st down. We played for a FG when on the opponents 20 yard line...like why? Those are the type of calls that can lose you a game.
 
Ravens worked out jamaal Charles, charkandrick west, akrum wadley, fitz toussaint, and one other Rb.

Never liked wadley much tbh
 
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