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The Random Thought Thread

allblackraven said:
Compared to quite a few other players, Brooks never got a fair shake from Harbaugh/Ozzie.
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John Simon is the other one that comes to my mind. Pisses me off we gave up on those guys so fast. Also Timmy J is playing like a beast in Philly. Brent Urban, Timmy J, Terrance Brooks, John Urschel, Mike Camp, all along with Mosley. This is the most could have been class if it weren't for injuries and other stupid shit.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Be honest- do you watch every single commercial? I know for myself personally, commercial breaks are the time for me to check the boards and my phone. I also get food or drinks, maybe even flip the channel until the break is over.

You're reaching MANY more people by doing it during the Anthem because it gets everyone talking.
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But again. And again. And again. ( which is why I hate these conversations) most are talking about the protests and few are talking about the issue.
 
Militant X 1 said:
Let's run with this statement of yours then.

Since blacks have every "right" that whites do; then that means; it is the "RIGHT" of these athletes (mostly the black ones)...who also happen to be American Citizens...to exercise their 1st Amendment right to either stand or kneel for the National Anthem. Right?

And, "IF" it is their right; why are so many people as you say; "pissed off by it?" Got to be something else behind that! Cause, if this was really about "disrespecting" the National Anthem or the Flag....how come at these sporting events...even at M&T Bank Stadium....that they don't shut down the concession stands or merchandising areas when the National Anthem is being played?
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I can't answer those questions for you.
I would imagine it would boil down to logistics as to why things are not shut down for the anthem.

I and as far as I know, no one ever said the players didn't have the *right* to do this.
It has always been my contention that there are more effective ways to bring these issues to light than these current methods.

Me personally ( again ) I have no problem with the protests. I just think the path of least resistance would make more progress.

But what do I know?
 
purplepittabread88 said:
John Simon is the other one that comes to my mind. Pisses me off we gave up on those guys so fast. Also Timmy J is playing like a beast in Philly. Brent Urban, Timmy J, Terrance Brooks, John Urschel, Mike Camp, all along with Mosley. This is the most could have been class if it weren't for injuries and other stupid shit.
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Always thought Timmy would do well in Philadelphia. He fits that wide 9 to a tee. That being said, he would be gone after this year anyway. I always thought it was a fair trade to jump up that many spots (which equated to a full round) on the trade value chart. Sure we would have received comp picks for him, but no more than a 4th rounder.Reply

Terrence Brooks, forget it. I don't want him here.
 
K-Dog said:
But it would seem that is not "true and lasting ".
If it were we would not be having this conversation.
Yes after those events blacks did gain more rights, as they should. But none of this current stuff is about rights it is about treatment. There is a difference. At this moment blacks have every right whites do.
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of course it's about rights - it's about the right to be treated fairly and equally in accordance with the rights we all should have... it's naive to think that "blacks have every right whites do" in practice when they are disproportionately affected by negative events when they should be affected the same
 
K-Dog said:
But again. And again. And again. ( which is why I hate these conversations) most are talking about the protests and few are talking about the issue.
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The people who want to make it about the flag and the anthem are talking about the protests. Those who actually care about inequality are talking about the issue at hand.
 
K-Dog said:
It has always been my contention that there are more effective ways to bring these issues to light than these current methods.
I just think the path of least resistance would make more progress.

But what do I know?
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So we should ask two questions then.
1. What is a more effective message that's going to grab national headlines in the same way?
2. When are protests comfortable?
 
This originally began by Kaepernick to protest unequal treatment of minorities by police. Certainly, it has brought attention to the issue but has it impacted it in a positive manner? It's debatable, but doubtful. As long as there is crime in our cities, drugs and a lack of respect among minorities with their own people and police feel they are putting their lives on the line by stepping into their squad cars, little will change.

What has Kaep gotten for his trouble along with his poor play, he is out of the league at present and maybe permanently.

The problem is, as with most protests, the original message has been lost, changed or grayed. It's now about respect, race, the military & first responders, the national anthem, Donald Trump, Goodell & the NFL and a host of other things I can't think of. When you have a league of predominately black players, idolized by predominately white season ticket holders, owned by predominately white owners there will be riffs and disagreements from time to time.

The key is to not allow it to become blown out of proportion and it already has. We have already seen fans burning tickets and jerseys, 35,000 signature petitions to remove statues, fans determined to boycott games and one players answer to all this:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...er-to-fans-who-boycott-nfl-over-protests-bye/

When the fans stop going, the sponsorship stops coming, the networks stop showing, the players don't get paid and stop playing. It may take some time but it is heading in that direction. The only way to keep this from not spiraling out of control is for the players to immediately stop protesting during games and find other avenues and platforms for their protests before it's too late.
 
Rav'n Maniac said:
As long as there is crime in our cities, drugs and a lack of respect among minorities with their own people and police feel they are putting their lives on the line by stepping into their squad cars, little will change.
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this might be contentious but until the police are trained to deescalate situations first and guns are regulated and banned then of course no one is gonna feel safe - i still find it crazy that guns are legal in the states - police over in the UK are literally trained to disarm people without guns and in the rare case where the other person has a gun only then does the riot team or the armed police get involved

the only reason police feel like they are putting their lives on the line is because they have created a divide where the people in minorities dont feel safe around police either --> the obvious solution is to deescalate the situation and take guns away from everyone except small divisions of specific "armed police" who only get called out to terrorism situations, large-scale events (where they are aware that they are the last resort) and as support
 
Rav'n Maniac said:
What has Kaep gotten for his trouble along with his poor play, he is out of the league at present and maybe permanently.
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i dont get your point here - essentially you are saying that he shouldnt protest because he might be victimized for the very thing he's protesting - surely that makes the protest even more legitimate...
 
rossihunter2 said:
this might be contentious but until the police are trained to deescalate situations first and guns are regulated and banned then of course no one is gonna feel safe - i still find it crazy that guns are legal in the states - police over in the UK are literally trained to disarm people without guns and in the rare case where the other person has a gun only then does the riot team or the armed police get involved

the only reason police feel like they are putting their lives on the line is because they have created a divide where the people in minorities dont feel safe around police either --> the obvious solution is to deescalate the situation and take guns away from everyone except small divisions of specific "armed police" who only get called out to terrorism situations, large-scale events (where they are aware that they are the last resort) and as support
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Just curious, but have you heard of the Tamir Rice case?
 
rossihunter2 said:
this might be contentious but until the police are trained to deescalate situations first and guns are regulated and banned then of course no one is gonna feel safe - i still find it crazy that guns are legal in the states - police over in the UK are literally trained to disarm people without guns and in the rare case where the other person has a gun only then does the riot team or the armed police get involved

the only reason police feel like they are putting their lives on the line is because they have created a divide where the people in minorities dont feel safe around police either --> the obvious solution is to deescalate the situation and take guns away from everyone except small divisions of specific "armed police" who only get called out to terrorism situations, large-scale events (where they are aware that they are the last resort) and as support
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Wait! So, are you saying to "disarm" the "LAW ABIDING" citizens and to deny them their "right" to defend and protect themselves and their families from the criminal element that don't give damn about following rules and laws?
 
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