The Random Thought Thread

[QuothTheRaven]

We should re-sign Bozeman because he's a starting quality OL and that seems to be increasingly rare. I don't want to assume we can simply plug yet another gap with inferior players. We've seen how rare and valuable decent OL are this year. Nobody will even trade their backups.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

We should re-sign Bozeman because he's a starting quality OL and that seems to be increasingly rare. I don't want to assume we can simply plug yet another gap with inferior players. We've seen how rare and valuable decent OL are this year. Nobody will even trade their backups.

Yeah it was always 80/20 rule but you simply can’t find 80% of any OLs production at 20% of the price and you’d be lucky to find 80% of a decent OLs production at ANY price, unless you draft a good one. That’s just the league these days. I’m not entirely sold that Bozeman is anything more than an average at best center, but I’ll take that all day, it’s hard to find average at best OL talent, and average PLUS long standing chemistry and experience in the system for the C of all positions is not something to take lightly. Frankly, we should’ve signed Jensen, Bozeman is half the player Jensen and we’re gonna pay Bozeman market value for it, and I’m fine with it, the only part of that that upsets me is just that it’s not Jensen.

 

[rossihunter2]

Yeah it was always 80/20 rule but you simply can’t find 80% of any OLs production at 20% of the price and you’d be lucky to find 80% of a decent OLs production at ANY price, unless you draft a good one. That’s just the league these days. I’m not entirely sold that Bozeman is anything more than an average at best center, but I’ll take that all day, it’s hard to find average at best OL talent, and average PLUS long standing chemistry and experience in the system for the C of all positions is not something to take lightly. Frankly, we should’ve signed Jensen, Bozeman is half the player Jensen and we’re gonna pay Bozeman market value for it, and I’m fine with it, the only part of that that upsets me is just that it’s not Jensen.

and this is why im not sold that we will re-sign bozeman at market value - because it would potentially be settling - and it's why my opinion around it has changed frequently this season

and with all the contracts we're going to have on offence at this point, it feels like every penny of value is going to count

and if that means bozeman stays then great - but i do have a feeling it might mean he's gone

 

[Simba]

and id understand that result but id also be disappointed about not putting phillips back in at LG - i think that would give us the chance to upgrade 2 spots on our line

id understand the value of continuity and the value of phillips as a backup RT (even though he's not a good RT) - but there's a reason he won the starting job at LG despite being injured during the preseason and his snaps at LG in week 1 are probably the most assured LG snaps i think we've had all year from anyone - id be disappointed because i think he's the best LG on the team and he's being somewhat held back because of his swing value which feels like the opposite of how that should work lol

I see no reason why Phillips couldn't factor into the LG job if Mekari is back. Ogbuehi is the swing T now. You can move Phillips inside, knowing that he doesn't even have to be the next option if a T goes down.

 

[rossihunter2]

I see no reason why Phillips couldn't factor into the LG job if Mekari is back. Ogbuehi is the swing T now. You can move Phillips inside, knowing that he doesn't even have to be the next option if a T goes down.

do we know that ogbuehi is definitely the swing tackle?
if he is then it just becomes phillips + talent vs powers + continuity which feels like a much better situation than phillips + talent + opportunity cost of being backup tackle vs powers + continuity

i think an OL of Villanueva, Phillips, Bozeman, Zeitler, Mekari is the ideal starting 5 right now - i think it gives us the best chance - it's never going to be a dominant group but i think with those 5 in that configuration you can have something fairly solid and reliable with positive elements in both phases

 

[Simba]

do we know that ogbuehi is definitely the swing tackle?
if he is then it just becomes phillips + talent vs powers + continuity which feels like a much better situation than phillips + talent + opportunity cost of being backup tackle vs powers + continuity

i think an OL of Villanueva, Phillips, Bozeman, Zeitler, Mekari is the ideal starting 5 right now - i think it gives us the best chance - it's never going to be a dominant group but i think with those 5 in that configuration you can have something fairly solid and reliable with positive elements in both phases

He has been for 2 weeks and has been on the 53 man roster as well. Can't see why he wouldn't be the next man up if they want Phillips back inside.

 

[rmcjacket23]

and this is why im not sold that we will re-sign bozeman at market value - because it would potentially be settling - and it's why my opinion around it has changed frequently this season

and with all the contracts we're going to have on offence at this point, it feels like every penny of value is going to count

and if that means bozeman stays then great - but i do have a feeling it might mean he's gone

Maybe sold. I'm also just not sold on the idea that our Center next year will be somebody we drafted in the Spring. If they let Bozeman walk, I think they'll try to find a cheaper veteran. Maybe they draft somebody in the middle rounds, but I certainly don't think they're going to put all their eggs in the "starting Center is in the draft" bucket.

 

[rossihunter2]

He has been for 2 weeks and has been on the 53 man roster as well. Can't see why he wouldn't be the next man up if they want Phillips back inside.

i mean i hope it's that way but he's the swing tackle because we dont have anyone else right now

i have no idea what they really think of ogbuehi so idk if he's still thought of as the swing tackle - my question i guess (if im playing devils advocate as to why not putting phillips in at LG is that maybe the gap between mekari and ogbuehi is a lot bigger than a potential gap between phillips and powers and because we've got cleveland and colon in the wings there too...

like id obviously prefer it if you're right because i really want phillips back inside and i know joe d'allesandris has said he'd like tyre back inside and he's playing RT out of necessity with the mekari injury

but i still worry that some natural conservatism within the coaching staff might make them hold back from making that move

 

[rossihunter2]

Maybe sold. I'm also just not sold on the idea that our Center next year will be somebody we drafted in the Spring. If they let Bozeman walk, I think they'll try to find a cheaper veteran. Maybe they draft somebody in the middle rounds, but I certainly don't think they're going to put all their eggs in the "starting Center is in the draft" bucket.

if they let bozeman walk i think that it'll be Colon, a cheap vet/journeyman (e.g. mancz from this year) and then they'll go after a young guy if someone's available they like

i guess im a little more confident that the ravens are fairly comfortable with Colon as a place-holder and potential incumbent in 2022

 

[rmcjacket23]

if they let bozeman walk i think that it'll be Colon, a cheap vet/journeyman (e.g. mancz from this year) and then they'll go after a young guy if someone's available they like

i guess im a little more confident that the ravens are fairly comfortable with Colon as a place-holder and potential incumbent in 2022

Maybe. I would think if they were comfortable with Colon that they would have just let Bozeman stay at LG and make Colon the starter this year. Not saying he can never improved to a starter, but I think it's interesting he also didn't really get a shot to win that job this offseason either (at least, seemingly).

 

[rossihunter2]

Maybe. I would think if they were comfortable with Colon that they would have just let Bozeman stay at LG and make Colon the starter this year. Not saying he can never improved to a starter, but I think it's interesting he also didn't really get a shot to win that job this offseason either (at least, seemingly).

that's a good point - although you'd hope the "better" talent was in the other competition at LG given that there were a couple of 3rd rounders there

but there's a big difference between a udfa going into year 2 and going into year 3 in the system and the organisation

not saying he's gonna be spectacular or anything but there'll be a level of trust and comfort with him that might make them feel comfortable enough with bozeman leaving if he's priced out of baltimore

 

[rmcjacket23]

that's a good point - although you'd hope the "better" talent was in the other competition at LG given that there were a couple of 3rd rounders there

but there's a big difference between a udfa going into year 2 and going into year 3 in the system and the organisation

not saying he's gonna be spectacular or anything but there'll be a level of trust and comfort with him that might make them feel comfortable enough with bozeman leaving if he's priced out of baltimore

He fits the mold of a Mekari to me. Organization glad to have him as a backup, and won't lose sleep if he has to play. But ideally, they don't want as a 17 game starter.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

and this is why im not sold that we will re-sign bozeman at market value - because it would potentially be settling - and it's why my opinion around it has changed frequently this season

and with all the contracts we're going to have on offence at this point, it feels like every penny of value is going to count

and if that means bozeman stays then great - but i do have a feeling it might mean he's gone

Sometimes you don’t have a choice but to settle and if I’ve ever seen a team that may need to “settle” for just stability, it’s the 2022 ravens with their OL

 

[JoeyFlex5]

He fits the mold of a Mekari to me. Organization glad to have him as a backup, and won't lose sleep if he has to play. But ideally, they don't want as a 17 game starter.

Been hearing this all year but mekari has been flat out good at RT this year.

are we sure a lot of this notion isn’t being pumped up by the Baltimore beatdown guys saying it earlier in the year?

 

[BloodRaven]

Hurst has mostly been playing guard this year

and not sure whitworth is unathletic at all lol - whitworth's still got really nice feet and still has the benefit of the longest arms (or 2nd longest or something in that realm - i know it was 2nd longest a couple of years ago) in the entire NFL regardless of position

there's a lot of 1st round athletes on that list - and all of those guys are vets

Whitworth even in his prime wasn't a stud athlete but he had elite length and anticipation, two things that don't diminish with age. He's different to someone like Joe Thomas who was the "dancing bear" prototype.

 

[Deebo813]

We are 1st in qb pressures and 5th in qb hits.. lmao. Would make you think that we are in the qb face alot when in reality we arent and qbs are actually comfortable vs us

 

[BloodRaven]

Does anyone find it weird that Brady has won 4 Super Bowls since our last one? They've all blurred together for me.

 

[BloodRaven]

We are 1st in qb pressures and 5th in qb hits.. lmao. Would make you think that we are in the qb face alot when in reality we arent and qbs are actually comfortable vs us

It's because our secondary hasn't held up. CBs are the most important part of our defense and they're getting cooked out there.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

do we know that ogbuehi is definitely the swing tackle?
if he is then it just becomes phillips + talent vs powers + continuity which feels like a much better situation than phillips + talent + opportunity cost of being backup tackle vs powers + continuity

i think an OL of Villanueva, Phillips, Bozeman, Zeitler, Mekari is the ideal starting 5 right now - i think it gives us the best chance - it's never going to be a dominant group but i think with those 5 in that configuration you can have something fairly solid and reliable with positive elements in both phases

Powers is getting to the point where he is nearly tanking our game plans and the only continuity he brings is continually getting Lamar flushed and hit. Feels like the book is out on him and teams now have a way of playing against him to really blow our shit up.

He has to be replaced at all costs to salvage this season, and Phillips, he could be an excellent guard, as a matter of fact I’m not convinced he isn’t the best G on the team right now, but he’s stuck at tackle and he is pretty bad there, he looks unnatural and clunky and I don’t know if he’s ever gonna fit there and he’s being wasted. I get that it’s out of necessity right now but man I’m not sure that we’re better off with him at RT and powers at LG over ogbuehi at RT and tyre at LG.

 

[rossihunter2]

He fits the mold of a Mekari to me. Organization glad to have him as a backup, and won't lose sleep if he has to play. But ideally, they don't want as a 17 game starter.

100% - just saying they might be comfortable enough with him as a placeholder while adding some competition if Bozeman moves on