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The Random Thought Thread

Deebo813 said:
We are 1st in qb pressures and 5th in qb hits.. lmao. Would make you think that we are in the qb face alot when in reality we arent and qbs are actually comfortable vs us
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1st in qb pressures
5th in qb hits

but (off the top of my head) something like 27th in sacks

we’re not creating negative plays for offences with sacks, TFLs or turnovers right now
 
BloodRaven said:
Does anyone find it weird that Brady has won 4 Super Bowls since our last one? They've all blurred together for me.
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- The Malcolm butler one
- 28-3 falcons one
- The boring rams one (which I often forget about because it was one of the least interesting super bowls I can remember)
- The eagles loss
- The bucs dominating the chiefs
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Powers is getting to the point where he is nearly tanking our game plans and the only continuity he brings is continually getting Lamar flushed and hit. Feels like the book is out on him and teams now have a way of playing against him to really blow our shit up.

He has to be replaced at all costs to salvage this season, and Phillips, he could be an excellent guard, as a matter of fact I’m not convinced he isn’t the best G on the team right now, but he’s stuck at tackle and he is pretty bad there, he looks unnatural and clunky and I don’t know if he’s ever gonna fit there and he’s being wasted. I get that it’s out of necessity right now but man I’m not sure that we’re better off with him at RT and powers at LG over ogbuehi at RT and tyre at LG.
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hopefully with ogbuehi and mekari we’re already there now but this offseason we have to make sure that tyre isn’t playing 2 positions - and that includes at practice too
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Been hearing this all year but mekari has been flat out good at RT this year.

are we sure a lot of this notion isn’t being pumped up by the Baltimore beatdown guys saying it earlier in the year?
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I don't think anybody really knows. Like I think Powers has been pretty good too, as has Bozeman, yet there's a lot of people that aren't thrilled with the idea of them being starters in 2022 either. He's shown well in the short stint he's been the starter, but I don't know if that's enough to warrant him being the presumed starting RT going into camp next year. That'll be up to the coaching staff.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I don't think anybody really knows. Like I think Powers has been pretty good too, as has Bozeman, yet there's a lot of people that aren't thrilled with the idea of them being starters in 2022 either. He's shown well in the short stint he's been the starter, but I don't know if that's enough to warrant him being the presumed starting RT going into camp next year. That'll be up to the coaching staff.
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Powers was solid earlier but it seems like he’s been routinely abused in pass pro for a few consecutive games now. Mekari never had that at RT.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Powers was solid earlier but it seems like he’s been routinely abused in pass pro for a few consecutive games now. Mekari never had that at RT.
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he's been abused in pass pro all year - that's why he was rotating with cleveland to begin the season - powers has been a pretty decent run blocker but it hasnt really helped this running game much

mekari at RT was frequently grading (not that i like pff grades but...) as our best OL
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Yeah it was always 80/20 rule but you simply can’t find 80% of any OLs production at 20% of the price and you’d be lucky to find 80% of a decent OLs production at ANY price, unless you draft a good one. That’s just the league these days. I’m not entirely sold that Bozeman is anything more than an average at best center, but I’ll take that all day, it’s hard to find average at best OL talent, and average PLUS long standing chemistry and experience in the system for the C of all positions is not something to take lightly. Frankly, we should’ve signed Jensen, Bozeman is half the player Jensen and we’re gonna pay Bozeman market value for it, and I’m fine with it, the only part of that that upsets me is just that it’s not Jensen.
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I liked Jensen as well, but he has only had one really good year, in Tampa and that was in 2019. He's been an above average run blocker, but just an average to average pass blocker. I was not a fan of resetting the market on a player that was just going to be average for us and feel we made the right decision not signing him. That being said, he wasn't replaced with a player that was sufficient enough until now. I believe Bozeman is the most important player remaining out of the 2018 draft, outside of Jackson, to sign.
 
https://theathletic.com/2962998/202...h-to-liam-eichenberg-and-everyone-in-between/

really interesting article about pressure etc.

ravens coming in 17th as a unit on the basis of this article

in the individual standings (where he only gives top 10s and top 5 for C) Zeitler and Villanueva both feature - Zeitler for being really good and Villanueva for being really bad

notable and disappointingly the steelers have been pretty good on OL

also notable it looks like the ravens have the longest list of OL who've played snaps this year (albeit 2 of them: Sharpe and Ogbuehi played their snaps on other teams... although even without those 2 counting i think the ravens still have the longest list lol)
 
RavensMania said:
I liked Jensen as well, but he has only had one really good year, in Tampa and that was in 2019. He's been an above average run blocker, but just an average to average pass blocker. I was not a fan of resetting the market on a player that was just going to be average for us and feel we made the right decision not signing him. That being said, he wasn't replaced with a player that was sufficient enough until now. I believe Bozeman is the most important player remaining out of the 2018 draft, outside of Jackson, to sign.
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idk what you're basing this on - jensen had 1 good year for the ravens

he's been excellent and pretty dominant the last 3 seasons in Tampa
 
RavensMania said:
I liked Jensen as well, but he has only had one really good year, in Tampa and that was in 2019. He's been an above average run blocker, but just an average to average pass blocker. I was not a fan of resetting the market on a player that was just going to be average for us and feel we made the right decision not signing him. That being said, he wasn't replaced with a player that was sufficient enough until now. I believe Bozeman is the most important player remaining out of the 2018 draft, outside of Jackson, to sign.
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This is just not true, Jensen has been arguably the leagues best center since he left for Tampa
 
rossihunter2 said:
idk what you're basing this on - jensen had 1 good year for the ravens

he's been excellent and pretty dominant the last 3 seasons in Tampa
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unfortunately I'm basing it on PFF grades because I don't watch Tampa Bay often. Yes I understand PFF isn't be all end all. He has been far from dominant outside of 2019 from those numbers. @JoeyFlex5
 
RavensMania said:
unfortunately I'm basing it on PFF grades because I don't watch Tampa Bay often. Yes I understand PFF isn't be all end all. He has been far from dominant outside of 2019 from those numbers. @JoeyFlex5
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Didn’t pff also have Ben powers as our highest graded OL in games where he was quite literally the worst player on the field for either team?

Jensen is legit a top 3 center in this league and pff is the only outlet that would debate otherwise. They do not appropriately assign negative grades to the right players when grading players who are part of an overall unit. They will assign negative grades on a player who had nothing to do with things like stunts or blitz pickups just because a defender was lined up in a particular spot. They have the same problem with grading coverage. They are spot on with grading 1v1 type players like pass rushers and corners who play strictly man coverage. It’s not just that pff isn’t the end all be all, it’s that pff is severely fundamentally flawed with how they grade OL and coverage units.
 
Jensen was an absolute dog and I loved it when he stood up for Flacco. It was unfortunate that we couldn't keep him, but that's just the way it goes sometimes.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Didn’t pff also have Ben powers as our highest graded OL in games where he was quite literally the worst player on the field for either team?

Jensen is legit a top 3 center in this league and pff is the only outlet that would debate otherwise. They do not appropriately assign negative grades to the right players when grading players who are part of an overall unit. They will assign negative grades on a player who had nothing to do with things like stunts or blitz pickups just because a defender was lined up in a particular spot. They have the same problem with grading coverage. They are spot on with grading 1v1 type players like pass rushers and corners who play strictly man coverage. It’s not just that pff isn’t the end all be all, it’s that pff is severely fundamentally flawed with how they grade OL and coverage units.
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PFF Oline grades put too much emphasis on run blocking. It's certainly not something to ignore, but if you have a highly graded run blocker who's also a poorly graded pass rusher, they'll at least make the guy look average or maybe even above average. Realistically, no team in the league is going to repeatedly put somebody out there who is terrible in pass protection unless they have no other alternatives. Most of your high leverage, important, crucial plays in a game are pass plays. 3rd downs, mostly, are pass plays. That's where people make their money.

That being said, if you look at how Ken at FilmStudy evaluates Powers...
Miami - B+
Cincinnati - C
LAC - C+
Indy - C
Denver - C (split reps with Cleveland, graded higher than Cleveland)
Detroit - A (split reps with Cleveland, graded higher than Cleveland)
KC - C (split reps with Cleveland, was outplayed by Cleveland)

Can't seem to find the Minnesota game for some reason, but I'll keep looking.

Has the look of a consistently average player pretty much, though Miami looks to be one of his better games.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Didn’t pff also have Ben powers as our highest graded OL in games where he was quite literally the worst player on the field for either team?

Jensen is legit a top 3 center in this league and pff is the only outlet that would debate otherwise. They do not appropriately assign negative grades to the right players when grading players who are part of an overall unit. They will assign negative grades on a player who had nothing to do with things like stunts or blitz pickups just because a defender was lined up in a particular spot. They have the same problem with grading coverage. They are spot on with grading 1v1 type players like pass rushers and corners who play strictly man coverage. It’s not just that pff isn’t the end all be all, it’s that pff is severely fundamentally flawed with how they grade OL and coverage units.
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I definitely agree that PFF is fundamentally flawed with how they grade OL and DL if you ask me. Outside of the eye test how do you grade Jensen. I know you say he is top 3 but you aren't watching all of TB's games either. I'm not saying you are right or wrong. Tampa Bay has a very good offensive line as a whole and having Ali Marpet next to you cerrtainly doesn't hurt, just like it didn't hurt having Yanda next to him when he was a Raven. I'm not taking anything away from Jensen as I also feel he is a good player.
 
RavensMania said:
I definitely agree that PFF is fundamentally flawed with how they grade OL and DL if you ask me. Outside of the eye test how do you grade Jensen. I know you say he is top 3 but you aren't watching all of TB's games either. I'm not saying you are right or wrong. Tampa Bay has a very good offensive line as a whole and having Ali Marpet next to you cerrtainly doesn't hurt, just like it didn't hurt having Yanda next to him when he was a Raven. I'm not taking anything away from Jensen as I also feel he is a good player.
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Jensen is great but i actually do remember him having some bad yrs with tampa and the fans do too.. well maybe not bad but wasnt looking how he does now
 
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