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Adreme said:
I'm going to challenge the assertion that Queen was underperforming given his draft status. I went back to 2014, so 10 players who have played at least 1 season, and Queen is the ONLY player drafted at 28 (aka his draft status) to make a pro bowl. You can say it should not have taken 2.5 years for him to really turn the corner (though some of that might have been playing out of position) but going back a decade he seems to have exceeded what everyone else drafted at his spot did.
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I am going to challenge the assertion that the pro bowl is a reliable metric to measure success, it's a popularity contest. I'd say a first round pick should be a reliable starter pretty much right out the gate, just because many aren't doesn't mean that isnt the benchmark for successfully playing to first round draft status. Anyway I was never A big critic and noticed his improvement prior to Ro arriving, but I think that that criticism is to be expected when a large asset expended isnt living up expectations in a result driven environment.
 
Adreme said:
I'm going to challenge the assertion that Queen was underperforming given his draft status. I went back to 2014, so 10 players who have played at least 1 season, and Queen is the ONLY player drafted at 28 (aka his draft status) to make a pro bowl. You can say it should not have taken 2.5 years for him to really turn the corner (though some of that might have been playing out of position) but going back a decade he seems to have exceeded what everyone else drafted at his spot did.
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JoeyFlex5 said:
PQ at no point underperformed his draft status, ravens fans just don’t know what acceptable level of play is, especially from a LB. Like cmon guys, you don’t have to be ray lewis to not be a bust, PQ always looked like a good player, he just had moments where inexperience showed itself, it’s literally standard.
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Y’all are letting nostalgia from the last year cloud your judgement. Theres a reason the Ravens FO didn’t pick up his 5th year and theres a reason they didn’t invest in him financially this year. He’s average and nothing else , absolute under-performer based on his draft position.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Y’all are letting nostalgia from the last year cloud your judgement. Theres a reason the Ravens FO didn’t pick up his 5th year and theres a reason they didn’t invest in him financially this year. He’s average and nothing else , absolute under-performer based on his draft position.
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Kids these days accept mediocrity all too easily.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Y’all are letting nostalgia from the last year cloud your judgement. Theres a reason the Ravens FO didn’t pick up his 5th year and theres a reason they didn’t invest in him financially this year. He’s average and nothing else , absolute under-performer based on his draft position.
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He wasn’t perfect or versatile but what he did offer was big impactful plays and often, and that’s been from day one
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Y’all are letting nostalgia from the last year cloud your judgement. Theres a reason the Ravens FO didn’t pick up his 5th year and theres a reason they didn’t invest in him financially this year. He’s average and nothing else , absolute under-performer based on his draft position.
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The Ravens didnt pick up his 5th year option because after 3 years only the last half of the 3rd season looked good. However he has consistently improved every single season and was unquestionably a pro bowl player last season.

Again though you think he "under-performed" his draft position so I will list all 10 players drafted at 28 in the past decade just to establish a point: Kelvin Benjamin (man he fell off a cliff after a good rookie year), Laken Tomlinson, Joshua Garnett, Taco Charlton, Terrell Edmunds, Jerry Tillary, Patrick Queen, Payton Turner, Devonte Wyatt, and Myles Murphy. If we rank all of those players Queen is at 1. So either every player drafted 28 is "under performing his draft position" or people are overestimating the position.

Also fun fact, apparently PFF, who everyone here knows has been harsh on him at times, has him as the 7th best LB in football. So apparently the metric of average is "if you arent top 3 you are average". Add that onto his 2nd team all pro last year and I just wonder in what universe are we pretending he is average?

I just think we have lost the thread on Queen because his draft report was that he was very young and would need time to develop but if developed properly could be a great LB. That draft report was on the money. He took awhile to develop and when he did he was the only person at his draft stock make a PB, and of course the only person with an all pro nod of any kind.
 
airconteka said:
Kids these days accept mediocrity all too easily.
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Kids these days dont know how the pro bowl works (only 33% fan selected). Kids these days think all pro players are average. Its like how every fanbase seems to think their QB is terrible because they dont compare well to Mahomes.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Y’all are letting nostalgia from the last year cloud your judgement. Theres a reason the Ravens FO didn’t pick up his 5th year and theres a reason they didn’t invest in him financially this year. He’s average and nothing else , absolute under-performer based on his draft position.
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IDK. If Ro wasn’t here his value in Bmore would have been much different.
 
Adreme said:
The Ravens didnt pick up his 5th year option because after 3 years only the last half of the 3rd season looked good. However he has consistently improved every single season and was unquestionably a pro bowl player last season.

Again though you think he "under-performed" his draft position so I will list all 10 players drafted at 28 in the past decade just to establish a point: Kelvin Benjamin (man he fell off a cliff after a good rookie year), Laken Tomlinson, Joshua Garnett, Taco Charlton, Terrell Edmunds, Jerry Tillary, Patrick Queen, Payton Turner, Devonte Wyatt, and Myles Murphy. If we rank all of those players Queen is at 1. So either every player drafted 28 is "under performing his draft position" or people are overestimating the position.

Also fun fact, apparently PFF, who everyone here knows has been harsh on him at times, has him as the 7th best LB in football. So apparently the metric of average is "if you arent top 3 you are average". Add that onto his 2nd team all pro last year and I just wonder in what universe are we pretending he is average?

I just think we have lost the thread on Queen because his draft report was that he was very young and would need time to develop but if developed properly could be a great LB. That draft report was on the money. He took awhile to develop and when he did he was the only person at his draft stock make a PB, and of course the only person with an all pro nod of any kind.
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we didn't need to be paying 2 both Ro and PQ 15+ million. That's the reason he didn't get the 5th year option.
 
Deebo813 said:
“ im not saying his name” jamar chase when asked who the #1 player is lol… we need to bring this kind of competitive dislike back lol.. like how suggs and scott respected brady but also hated him
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Is he alluding to Lamar? Lol

Edit - he was talking about Mahomes
 
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Deebo813 said:
I wonder what it would take for someone to dethrone mahommes.. not a 1yr sb winner where everyone is hyped over because of 1 season but like an actual debatable argument
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Dethroning him is going to take one of the other guys to win back to back.

At least
 
JO_75 said:
Jordan Love about to be paid top QB money with one full season of play under his belt. I know he sat for a couple years but how much more proof do we need that the QB market I'd broken. Packers should have traded Rodgers a year earlier... @Ice Bowl What are your thoughts on this?
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I’m not sure what to think. I hope he doesn’t have a sophomore slump. I think he’s going to be really good but we have a brutal schedule so I’m worried about that.
 
Btw it really annoys me when I see Ravens fans say Lamar is 8-2 against the Bengals. No, he’s 8-1, a game where he ran 2 read options on TNF with Flacco starting doesn’t count. Ravens fans in internet comments need to be better
 
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