Training Camp

[Truth]

Wood is an interesting case. He's been a capable center in the three seasons prior to last. Arguably his best season as a pro came with Roman as the OC in 2015, but then he followed it up with arguably his worst career year in 2016 under the same OC. The main concern in Wood being one of the worst pass blocking centers last year (On pace to allow 38 disruptions, with the Tim Barnes a relative distant 2nd at 30) is that he wasn't listed on any injury reports before breaking his leg. So part of you does wonder whether it was just a down season. In either case, he would likely be a solid signing regardless if he gets released. But he could be a bigger question mark than Howard given that Howard at least played through multiple season-ending injuries.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Wood is an interesting case. He's been a capable center in the three seasons prior to last. Arguably his best season as a pro came with Roman as the OC in 2015, but then he followed it up with arguably his worst career year in 2016 under the same OC. The main concern in Wood being one of the worst pass blocking centers last year (On pace to allow 38 disruptions, with the Tim Barnes a relative distant 2nd at 30) is that he wasn't listed on any injury reports before breaking his leg. So part of you does wonder whether it was just a down season. In either case, he would likely be a solid signing regardless if he gets released. But he could be a bigger question mark than Howard given that Howard at least played through multiple season-ending injuries.

It's also important to note that Roman was fired week 2 in the regular season as an idiotic scapegoat to Ryan's deficiences as a HC(honestly, Roman was doing well with Taylor and McCoy. They put up a large amount of points against the Jets and lost because the defense wasn't up to par). Even if it was the same scheme, other players have struggled if another person is running it(see our offensive line post-Kubiak). I'm not that surprised that he didn't do nearly as well as he did in the past. Reuniting him with Roman would be very ideal imo given that he has excelled in his scheme before. Hopefully after his injury he could return to form. His situation wouldn't be that different as in Buffalo he had a very good LT and a good G next to him in Glenn and Incognito. Here, he'd be playing next to Yanda, and Stanley(who could be an all pro this season), and Jensen who looks like he's improved a lot.

Im hoping we can get someone closer to their prime, and preferably a guard so we dont have change Jensens position.

It's not like Jensen hasn't played LG at a good level before. I wouldn't object to getting a LG either, but at this point I'll take any W we can player-wise. We need the starting talent/depth.

Woods a solid center, stop making him out to be a top 5 center. he had 1 good year aside from that he's been solid..nothing more.

Maybe not top 5 but he's excelled in the scheme before, which inspires confidence that he would mesh well here, especially next to a guy like Yanda. Not to mention interior offensive linemen can play at a good level into their mid 30s, which actually fits the small window we have. Likewise, Eric Wood should be a lot cheaper than Norwell would be next season, and if Jensen plays well we also have to pay him. Getting Wood could mean that there is a legit possibility we could pay both Jensen and him. Getting Norwell probably means we lose Jensen, which then puts us back at square one because we are likely in the market for a center again, which is a position I would not want us to be in. OR we lose Norwell for basically nothing and are screwed

 

[Truth]

It's also important to note that Roman was fired week 2 in the regular season as an idiotic scapegoat to Ryan's deficiences as a HC(honestly, Roman was doing well with Taylor and McCoy. They put up a large amount of points against the Jets and lost because the defense wasn't up to par). Even if it was the same scheme, other players have struggled if another person is running it(see our offensive line post-Kubiak). I'm not that surprised that he didn't do nearly as well as he did in the past. Reuniting him with Roman would be very ideal imo given that he has excelled in his scheme before. Hopefully after his injury he could return to form. His situation wouldn't be that different as in Buffalo he had a very good LT and a good G next to him in Glenn and Incognito. Here, he'd be playing next to Yanda, and Stanley(who could be an all pro this season), and Jensen who looks like he's improved a lot.

Fair point with regards to the Roman firing, although Wood did allow the 4th most disruptions per snap through those two weeks, so it didn't seem like there was a significant drop off.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Fair point with regards to the Roman firing, although Wood did allow the 4th most disruptions per snap through those two weeks, so it didn't seem like there was a significant drop off.

Fair enough. I'd still rather have him though. I feel as if he'd be a prime candidate for a bounce back candidate and we'd have to give up a lot less for him.

This is moot though. It's likely neither is traded, and we might be in play for one of them next offseason if not retained by their own teams

 

[Truth]

Fair enough. I'd still rather have him though. I feel as if he'd be a prime candidate for a bounce back candidate and we'd have to give up a lot less for him.

This is moot though. It's likely neither is traded, and we might be in play for one of them next offseason if not retained by their own teams

I agree in bringing him on board. At worst, he should make for solid depth. And he could absolutely bounce back. I just wouldn't call him a prime candidate for a bounce back since there wasn't a significant indicator, i.e. injuries or scheme, that seemingly hampered his performance. I see it as closer to a toss up, but he'd be worth a look nonetheless. If he gets released that is.

 

[Sami84]

All i know is this, the defence cannot afford 1 significant injury and may have to carry this team COMPLETELY in the first 3-4 games this season. No one can in their right sane mind expect this offence with it's injuries and lack of practice between flacco and the recievers, along with a meh offensive line to produce anything. The truth hurts but this team as of right now is much weaker than it was before training camp and the FO have done nothing to rectify this . Harbaugh is easy to work out with his so called ambiguity with injuries. Also, when he says perriman and stanley are not season ending injuries or anything like that, call me obvious but that doesn't state they are not serious injuries. Perrimans injury is serious enough that it may linger into the season.

I'm actually not looking forward to any pre season games or training sessions because this team could already be IR\ed out of any kind of succesfull season. Perriman was an important piece and with this injury he has sustained he probably won't take that leap which it looked like he was capable of doing.

btw if Brandon carr gets a season ending injury you can throw all your ''unlucky'' proclamations out the window. It will be 100% proof ( even if it's not pretty obvious by the last 3 years and so far this offseason) that harbs does most likely have a big role in how he runs practices and work outs in this teams M.A.S.H like tv show of an off season.

 

[Sami84]

Perspective, If i told you that this would happen

Flacco back injury won't play pre-season ( likely disk related)
Perriman- Grade 2 hamstring straint ( 4-8 weeks and sometimes lingers and no reps at training camp with flacco)
Stanley ( Lingering issue, likely a hamstring too based on what harbs has said, if it's serious or if he gets injured badly this year, you can put a fork in our season)
Canady- Done for the long term but possibly back at Mid Season

Young- DONE ( Might not be as tragic with Jaylen Hill looking like a ball hawk and canady coming back)
Dixon- DONE (Our best RB)
Siragusa- DONE ( horrific injury, might never recover to be the player he could have been)
Lewis-DONE ( While I havent ever been a fan, he is better than hurst until hurst has shown me otherwise)
Gilmore- DONE ( Probably best all round TE when healthy but not irreplaceable)
White- DONE ( This guy was looking like he was making the team and a real X factor for a return game)
Waller- Suspended ( Not that he was anything special but easily the most athletic TE on the roster and a mismatch in some regards)
Urschel- Retired ( 0 depth on this line where he was an adequate back up)

And all this before we've even got preseason game 2 never mind even cinci at week 1, would you guys feel optimisitc about the season at all? Taking into account we'll probably lose important players during the season?

What have we done to recitfiy?

A.Howard - If healthy an average to above average RT.

What can be done to help this situation?

make a trade for LG , I have been pounding the desk for Andrew Norwell who would help transform this lines first unit into a strength. If not, at least trade for a good starting quality LG with good size and run blocking skills.

What do we need to hope for?

That Jaylen Hill becomes on of those gem UDFAs and makes us forget about tavon. I must admit i was supremely impressed by him vs the redskins and based on his training camp and college stats/tape, he has a knack for interceptions.

That Quincy Adeboyjo is another one of those gems that can stretch the floor with ease if perriman needs more time to get his feet under him.

That Flacco actually shocks us all by playing well under not the best of circumstances, which he seldom ever does.

 

[Deebo813]

Perspective, If i told you that this would happen

Flacco back injury won't play pre-season ( likely disk related)
Perriman- Grade 2 hamstring straint ( 4-8 weeks and sometimes lingers and no reps at training camp with flacco)
Stanley ( Lingering issue, likely a hamstring too based on what harbs has said, if it's serious or if he gets injured badly this year, you can put a fork in our season)
Canady- Done for the long term but possibly back at Mid Season

Young- DONE ( Might not be as tragic with Jaylen Hill looking like a ball hawk and canady coming back)
Dixon- DONE (Our best RB)
Siragusa- DONE ( horrific injury, might never recover to be the player he could have been)
Lewis-DONE ( While I havent ever been a fan, he is better than hurst until hurst has shown me otherwise)
Gilmore- DONE ( Probably best all round TE when healthy but not irreplaceable)
White- DONE ( This guy was looking like he was making the team and a real X factor for a return game)
Waller- Suspended ( Not that he was anything special but easily the most athletic TE on the roster and a mismatch in some regards)
Urschel- Retired ( 0 depth on this line where he was an adequate back up)

And all this before we've even got preseason game 2 never mind even cinci at week 1, would you guys feel optimisitc about the season at all? Taking into account we'll probably lose important players during the season?

What have we done to recitfiy?

A.Howard - If healthy an average to above average RT.

What can be done to help this situation?

make a trade for LG , I have been pounding the desk for Andrew Norwell who would help transform this lines first unit into a strength. If not, at least trade for a good starting quality LG with good size and run blocking skills.

What do we need to hope for?

That Jaylen Hill becomes on of those gem UDFAs and makes us forget about tavon. I must admit i was supremely impressed by him vs the redskins and based on his training camp and college stats/tape, he has a knack for interceptions.

That Quincy Adeboyjo is another one of those gems that can stretch the floor with ease if perriman needs more time to get his feet under him.

That Flacco actually shocks us all by playing well under not the best of circumstances, which he seldom ever does.

We will be going after a new qb within the next 2 yrs

 

[Sami84]

We will be going after a new qb within the next 2 yrs

will need to. Flacco is not only going to get more injuries he isn't going to get better and has declined as a QB in general. He's never taken his game to that next level, his best ( outside of his few games in the playoffs) has been ''good'' by starting Qb standards. He has generally been average to below average in his career.

I woudnt mind this if his cap was not so ridiculous but he's a liability based on Cap number/ Ability

 

[ZonaRaven]

We will be going after a new qb within the next 2 yrs

Even if we do, we're still tied to Flacco from a cap perspective until 2020 most likely. Even if Flacco were injured for the next 3 seasons, our defense alone will keep us in the bottom half of the first round every year and our offense, even devoid of a top half QB, has talent all over the place that is under contract. I just don't understand the perpetual negativity. You'd think we're the god damn Jets (went Browns originally, but they have upside).

 

[ZonaRaven]

Even if we do, we're still tied to Flacco from a cap perspective until 2020 most likely. Even if Flacco were injured for the next 3 seasons, our defense alone will keep us in the bottom half of the first round every year and our offense, even devoid of a top half QB, has talent all over the place that is under contract. I just don't understand the perpetual negativity. You'd think we're the god damn Jets (went Browns originally, but they have upside).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against spending a 2nd or a 3rd for the future if we are planning ahead. That isn't what I am getting at.

 

[Sami84]

Even if we do, we're still tied to Flacco from a cap perspective until 2020 most likely. Even if Flacco were injured for the next 3 seasons, our defense alone will keep us in the bottom half of the first round every year and our offense, even devoid of a top half QB, has talent all over the place that is under contract. I just don't understand the perpetual negativity. You'd think we're the god damn Jets (went Browns originally, but they have upside).

Injuries. I thought we had a chance this year but our depth has been obliterated on O. The O line needs an upgrade at LG . the offensive line is the most important aspect of the team.

 

[RavensMania]

Really like Jaylen Hill. I don't see how he doesn't make the team.
https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2...t-game-against-washington-its-on-to-miami-now

 

[ZonaRaven]

Injuries. I thought we had a chance this year but our depth has been obliterated on O. The O line needs an upgrade at LG . the offensive line is the most important aspect of the team.

Agreed on the o-line. I actually had an argument with my buddy earlier who wanted us to sign Ryan Matthews. I personally don't think he adds enough value for his price-tag and think we need to spend any remaining money on o-line depth. On the other hand, he thinks our o-line is going to be ok and wants us to have another weapon on offense (even if for 8 games?). His rationalization is that Joe D'Alessandris will make our o-line perform above expectations. While I still think I'd rather have o-line additions over Matthews, I agree that D'Alessandris should represent a huge upgrade considering the Chargers o-line was dreadful and decimated with injuries the last 2-3 years and they made it work. I wanted Whisenhunt if he was fired but he wasn't, and I wanted McCoy but he went to the Broncos so to hear we have maybe the other main piece of that Chargers coaching staff that translates to what we absolutely need, I am optimistic.

 

[RavensMania]

TYUS BOWSER – EDGE – RAVENS – SECOND-ROUND PICK

Bowser ranked 10th out of 114 qualified edge defenders with a 22.5 PRP in this weeks preseason action after he racked up three total pressures (including one hit) on just ten pass rush snaps. Bowser ranked 25th out of 328 qualified FBS edge defenders last season with a 14.2 PRP.

You'd think they would be able to get Bowsers pic and not McClellan's

 

[Sami84]

why have they got a pic of Albert McLellan

 

[Sami84]

Agreed on the o-line. I actually had an argument with my buddy earlier who wanted us to sign Ryan Matthews. I personally don't think he adds enough value for his price-tag and think we need to spend any remaining money on o-line depth. On the other hand, he thinks our o-line is going to be ok and wants us to have another weapon on offense (even if for 8 games?). His rationalization is that Joe D'Alessandris will make our o-line perform above expectations. While I still think I'd rather have o-line additions over Matthews, I agree that D'Alessandris should represent a huge upgrade considering the Chargers o-line was dreadful and decimated with injuries the last 2-3 years and they made it work. I wanted Whisenhunt if he was fired but he wasn't, and I wanted McCoy but he went to the Broncos so to hear we have maybe the other main piece of that Chargers coaching staff that translates to what we absolutely need, I am optimistic.

I have faith in 3 players having the potential to be good- great

Stanley ( he has to be healthy or it's over)
Yanda ( HOF quality doesn't die out as quickly as most)
Jensen ( he's going to be good at C)


Our last bullet needs to be a trade for a LG. If we get a really good LG via trade and the O line remains healthy as well as the team ( in general) you can start hoping again.

Flacco cannot make plays when he's under pressure or the run game is bad. He isn't that tier of QB and he's only getting worse.

 

[RavensMania]

why have they got a pic of Albert McLellan

Yep, ridiculous. Number 54 doesn't even look like 50

 

[Deebo813]

Even if we do, we're still tied to Flacco from a cap perspective until 2020 most likely. Even if Flacco were injured for the next 3 seasons, our defense alone will keep us in the bottom half of the first round every year and our offense, even devoid of a top half QB, has talent all over the place that is under contract. I just don't understand the perpetual negativity. You'd think we're the god damn Jets (went Browns originally, but they have upside).

i just dont have faith in flacco right now. i gave him pass last season cause of his injury so i know that was the reason for his back foot throws..... but now with this new injury, i really have my doubts.. his first game will determine it all

 

[ZonaRaven]

i just dont have faith in flacco right now. i gave him pass last season cause of his injury so i know that was the reason for his back foot throws..... but now with this new injury, i really have my doubts.. his first game will determine it all

I think that's completely fair to have doubts. On one hand, I do agree that a veteran, SB winning QB likely should be able to step into week 1 and play well, we know Flacco is streaky so hopefully that's the case but more realistically, our defense can hold up until he gets into stride week 2-3 worst case scenario.

Those back foot throws were absolutely maddening. I get regressing in mechanics, but that? That was dreadful to watch at times.

Even then, we still were in almost every game and could've made the playoffs with a few breaks our way.