Joe Flacco

[balfan23]

No - Minkah all the way. This D needs a boss on the field.

Yeah - I get it. It just shows how desperate we are across the board. There is no one out there now to grab the team by the throat and say, get off of your nod and play some ball. Suggs is the only one who has it and he appears to be losing it.

At the same time, we have to have to have to prepare to move on from Joe. Next year sounds like a good year to do it but that will depend on where we draft. If we can't draft one of the top prospects, we do have enough needs that we have to take a play maker AND leader, no matter what position.

 

[allblackraven]

Who says it’s the same staff

You think we fire entire offensive staff, not just Marty?

 

[JAAM]

What’s the penalty for cutting/trading Flacco this offseason? Serious question...

 

[JAAM]

You think we fire entire offensive staff, not just Marty?

You would have to think that it’s a real distinct possibility at this point

 

[balfan23]

Who says it’s the same staff

Exactly - if we make the move to draft a QB high next year, it really HAS to be with a new staff. That new staff will be committed to the guy selected under their watch.

 

[allblackraven]

But what if we did an overhaul with the coaching staff and brought someone in like Payton?

Payton isn't available. And I'll believe in a total offensive overhaul when I see it.

 

[balfan23]

What’s the penalty for cutting/trading Flacco this offseason? Serious question...

We take a $4M cap hit. His number would be $28M instead of $24M

 

[allblackraven]

Exactly - if we make the move to draft a QB high next year, it really HAS to be with a new staff. That new staff will be committed to the guy selected under their watch.

I feel like it will take a HC change to start with new QB.

 

[allblackraven]

We take a $4M cap hit. His number would be $28M instead of $24M

and about $50 M in dead money

 

[balfan23]

I feel like it will take a HC change to start with new QB.

I agree - it absolutely will. If we retain Harbaugh - which I really hope we don't if we continue this slide to the end of the season - then I really will not want to see us draft a QB. I just don't know how Harbaugh can retain his job long term and we want the new QB to be connected with a long term HC.

 

[JAAM]

and about $50 M in dead money

God that’s ridiculous. This would be his last year as a Raven if he didn’t sign that fucking extension.

 

[balfan23]

In 2015, I refused to losses as a good thing in the hopes of a higher draft pick. This year, I think I'm going to change my tune. I felt like then - losing was more damaging to the psychology of the team than it was beneficial to get higher picks in the draft. Now, I think the psychology of this team is already shot. If we can't beat Miami at home and we go on the road and take a very predictable loss at TN, this season is toast.

I just can't see doing more than looking for individual bright spots along the way, but rising to the top 10 of the draft. We need help, badly.

 

[balfan23]

God that’s ridiculous. This would be his last year as a Raven if he didn’t sign that fucking extension.

We just continued to double down on Joe. We're stuck with him next year for sure- possibly even the year after that. He has virtually no shot of being on this team in 2020, unless he has some miraculous turn-around, which I think is reaching powerball levels of probability.

 

[JAAM]

We just continued to double down on Joe. We're stuck with him next year for sure- possibly even the year after that. He has virtually no shot of being on this team in 2020, unless he has some miraculous turn-around, which I think is reaching powerball levels of probability.

So if he plays the way he’s been playing, we have to deal with this for two more years? Surely there’s been a situation like this in the NFL before where a rookie QB overtook the starting job and put his million dollar QB on the bench because he couldn’t be cut?

 

[allblackraven]

So if he plays the way he’s been playing, we have to deal with this for two more years? Surely there’s been a situation like this in the NFL before where a rookie QB overtook the starting job and put his million dollar QB on the bench because he couldn’t be cut?

We can still improve the skill positions / O line over next 2 years, which will ultimately help Flacco, too. If we are able to do that, suffering should subside.

 

[balfan23]

So if he plays the way he’s been playing, we have to deal with this for two more years? Surely there’s been a situation like this in the NFL before where a rookie QB overtook the starting job and put his million dollar QB on the bench because he couldn’t be cut?

Certainly could be. When I said we're stuck with him, I really only meant stuck with him being on the team and sucking cap.

 

[Edgar]

So if he plays the way he’s been playing, we have to deal with this for two more years? Surely there’s been a situation like this in the NFL before where a rookie QB overtook the starting job and put his million dollar QB on the bench because he couldn’t be cut?

If we draft a guy high Joe may very well end up on the bench. I'm sure he'd be put off at having to compete for the job.

 

[RavensMania]

What’s the penalty for cutting/trading Flacco this offseason? Serious question...

Dead cap of 28.75m or 14m spread out over two years.

 

[RavensMania]

We take a $4M cap hit. His number would be $28M instead of $24M

The 28 could be spread out over two years.

 

[RavensMania]

and about $50 M in dead money

The dead money would be 28m