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Joe Flacco

You are entitled. I want to see him with a full season with the current WR trio....Maclin, Wallace and Perriman. Sorry, but Brady wouldn't be doing well with this line either.

See, but that's just thing....this IS NOT about Brady....IT IS about Flacco.

So, far through 3 games:

Flacco is 69/42, 3 TD's and 366 yrds.
Maclin is 7/14, 2 TD's and 95 yrds.
Wallace is 3/9, 0 TD's and 21 yrds.
Perriman is 1/8, 0 TD's and 5 yrds


Can Flacco and the crew improve? Sure they can! That's never my question about the offense. My question (which is warranted based upon their piss poor game play) is; "WILL THEY?" I'll see firsthand at the game on Sunday.

unfortunately he is who he is and we have to wait a few years unless he retires but i have my fingers crossed that he can elevate his game enough to give us a somewhat competent passing game moving forward. i hope the leash on him will be shorter in future games if we have a repeat of this past sunday

He is...who he's always been! That SB run has "masked" a lot of things about this dud (yeah...dud!) that has been highly exposed since then. Now that it is supposedly, "his team" to lead; he's gotten worse.

Brady has never really had elite offensive lines and makes unknown WR's look like Pro Bowlers. Plus the difference between him and Flacco is that Brady has a very high football IQ. Sorry to say, but Flacco has never been an intelligent QB.

And all of that is a HUGE difference!
 
We gotta run the ball !!!!!!!!!!
Why aren't we running the ball????
Damn it Marty !!!! We are a run first team !!!!!!!!!!!!


Why the hell does Joe have so few passing yards?
Why isn't Joe throwing the ball?


I get it. I do, but ya gotta admit, there is come inconsistencies in some of the criticism.

Seriously though, I was and really still am in Joe's corner. I am not frusterated yet. But like I told my buddy. I am giving him till the end of Sunday's game.
It is at home. It is Pittsburgh. Joe knows Pitts-burgh better than any other team. Joe usually holds his own pretty well against Pitts-burgh.

My opinion is not up for debate. It is my opinion. You have yours I have mine.
 
So did both his backups last year while he was suspended
Sure, the system has a lot to do with the success of the Patriots, but watching Brady over the years, he's ridiculously clutch, can read defenses like a book and can make any throw, and this is coming from the biggest Brady hater out there.
 
We're all kidding ourselves if we think we can make the playoffs with no offensive line, no run game whatsoever, a WR trio of a regressing Wallace, Perriman (who's on the cusp of busting) and Maclin (who I actually really do like), our starting TE in his late 30's coming off of a serious injury, a QB who can't read a defense to save his life, and above all else, quite possibly the worst Offensive Coordinator in the league.

We're set on defense for years to come, but our offense is astonishingly bad, both on paper AND on the field. If im Ozzie, I'm throwing all of our cap space to playmaking free agent offensive players and spending half of our draft picks on offense, and honestly looking for our next QB in the draft because it's becoming increasingly obvious that he's not even Average Joe anymore. If we have a top 15 pick in 2018, I'm taking one of the top QB's.
 
We gotta run the ball !!!!!!!!!!
Why aren't we running the ball????
Damn it Marty !!!! We are a run first team !!!!!!!!!!!!


Why the hell does Joe have so few passing yards?
Why isn't Joe throwing the ball?


I get it. I do, but ya gotta admit, there is come inconsistencies in some of the criticism.

Seriously though, I was and really still am in Joe's corner. I am not frusterated yet. But like I told my buddy. I am giving him till the end of Sunday's game.
It is at home. It is Pittsburgh. Joe knows Pitts-burgh better than any other team. Joe usually holds his own pretty well against Pitts-burgh.

My opinion is not up for debate. It is my opinion. You have yours I have mine.
Totally agree. There are a bunch if inconsistencies. Also people have to understand that they are allowed to have Their own opinions and we should all welcome them. It's a big reason why we come to this board, for the sharing of opinions and collaboration. However, some people push their opinions on others, as if it were fact. I'm not referring to you.

Im giving Joe until the end of the year, but will start to show frustration way before then if he doesn't get more consistent.
 
the issue isnt joe..the issue is how much we are paying for a guy whos production we could replace with most backups in the league.
Better to just build a killer O line and have a good RB with a cheap average QB.
 
the issue isnt joe..the issue is how much we are paying for a guy whos production we could replace with most backups in the league.
Better to just build a killer O line and have a good RB with a cheap average QB.
joejoe poor joejoe
remember that 2012 run? that was awesome! joe played clutch. no mistakes. rememba those 35 yard lasers? he use to throw it onna line right in there. haven't seen that for awhile. he used to drop it in a can from 60 yards and hit his wrs in stride. don't see that no more either. a couple yrs back there he couldn't lead any wr deep. ball kept pullin up short.

new offense coordinator every yr don't help. don't think marty morningwig is an oc. no kubiak don't help. no boldin don't help. no little ray don't help. no perfect chemistry don't help. man did we have chemistry for that one run. had it by accident but man did we have it

now its to late to get some value. I told you, yes I did.
 
joejoe poor joejoe
remember that 2012 run? that was awesome! joe played clutch. no mistakes. rememba those 35 yard lasers? he use to throw it onna line right in there. haven't seen that for awhile. he used to drop it in a can from 60 yards and hit his wrs in stride. don't see that no more either. a couple yrs back there he couldn't lead any wr deep. ball kept pullin up short.

new offense coordinator every yr don't help. don't think marty morningwig is an oc. no kubiak don't help. no boldin don't help. no little ray don't help. no perfect chemistry don't help. man did we have chemistry for that one run. had it by accident but man did we have it

now its too late to get some value. I told you, yes I did.


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the issue isnt joe..the issue is how much we are paying for a guy whos production we could replace with most backups in the league.
Better to just build a killer O line and have a good RB with a cheap average QB.
Joe is stuck with us through the 2018 season, like it or not. I'd have no problem looking for his replacement with Joe on the roster, i.e. Favre, Rogers, but we can't cut him at the end of this year. I'd even go further and suggest that he is realistically with us through 2019.

I agree that we should build a top oline, but you don't have to have a top notch oline to win in this league. It does make it easier though. The cap makes it very difficult to keep your best players year in and year out and you have to keep drafting and building that funnel. We are one of the best teams in the league with our mid round picks. I'm not saying we are drafting stars in the mid rounds. The goal is to draft players that are role player and hopefully can become starters. Teams don't hit on all there picks. If you can get three starters in your draft you are doing very well.
 
Here's the thing I really don't get. In 2014 we found the perfect formula for success with Flacco. Sure, Kubiak went elsewhere, but why the hell did we then go with OCs known for running the opposite types of offenses that Kubiak did?

Was it really that hard to find some offensive mind in the pros or college that liked running the ball, play action, QB rollouts, and liked to feature the TE? It's not like he had to have an identical playbook or even use the same running scheme for it to work.
 
Here's the thing I really don't get. In 2014 we found the perfect formula for success with Flacco. Sure, Kubiak went elsewhere, but why the hell did we then go with OCs known for running the opposite types of offenses that Kubiak did?

Was it really that hard to find some offensive mind in the pros or college that liked running the ball, play action, QB rollouts, and liked to feature the TE? It's not like he had to have an identical playbook or even use the same running scheme for it to work.
That's on Harbaugh and his ego, which was clashing with Shanahan's. There was quite a bit of protecting his position there, as well.
 
Flacco is a BUM!

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/09/nfl...evonta-freeman-derek-carr-panthers-cam-newton

^^
"That’s why you pay a quarterback so much money: The good ones can mask a team’s weaknesses.
Unfortunately, Flacco is not a good quarterback. He’s not even an average one at this point.
He’s a bad quarterback being paid superstar money. And the Ravens are stuck paying him through 2018."

The good quartertbacks you speak of haven't experience what Joe Flacco has had to go through for the past 3 years atleast not often . How many of them have had to deal with consistent offensive coordinator changes like Flacco? You guys act like because this guy gets paid so much money he's suppose to adapt to so many changes and be on top of game no matter what. We knew during this off season that Mary M was going to install more of his own offense this season and when Joe Flacco missed most of training camp and preseason that took alot of time away for Flacco to get more adjusted to this offense and with his receivers. I don't get how anyone thought that it wasn't going to take more than 3 weeks of this season for Joe Flacco to knock some rust off and actually get on the same page with Marty M if not already.
 
The good quartertbacks you speak of haven't experience what Joe Flacco has had to go through for the past 3 years atleast not often . How many of them have had to deal with consistent offensive coordinator changes like Flacco? You guys act like because this guy gets paid so much money he's suppose to adapt to so many changes and be on top of game no matter what. We knew during this off season that Mary M was going to install more of his own offense this season and when Joe Flacco missed most of training camp and preseason that took alot of time away for Flacco to get more adjusted to this offense and with his receivers. I don't get how anyone thought that it wasn't going to take more than 3 weeks of this season for Joe Flacco to knock some rust off and actually get on the same page with Marty M if not already.

People expect rust... His performance on Sunday wouldn't be acceptable in pee wee ball.
 
Joe is stuck with us through the 2018 season, like it or not. I'd have no problem looking for his replacement with Joe on the roster, i.e. Favre, Rogers, but we can't cut him at the end of this year. I'd even go further and suggest that he is realistically with us through 2019.

I agree that we should build a top oline, but you don't have to have a top notch oline to win in this league. It does make it easier though. The cap makes it very difficult to keep your best players year in and year out and you have to keep drafting and building that funnel. We are one of the best teams in the league with our mid round picks. I'm not saying we are drafting stars in the mid rounds. The goal is to draft players that are role player and hopefully can become starters. Teams don't hit on all there picks. If you can get three starters in your draft you are doing very well.
I've heard this idea that we're stuck with Joe because of his contract but I don't fully believe that. Rewinding to a year ago, Tony Romo's contract was considered a Nightmare for the Cowboys and yet they moved on from him for a guy they believe was the future, and Romo could still play, just couldn't stay on the field. They're very lucky Tony Romo volunteered to retire post June-1st because had he chosen not to they would've been faced with a far worse cap situation. Even had he not done so, they would've been forced to release him anyways.

Now I don't think we'll do it, but I wouldn't completely rule it out. As of now, Flacco's interception streak is at 9, if that streak continues and the Ravens crash and burn at the end of the season and they see a QB who they believe can be transcendent then that's it, Joe's time is done here. It doesn't matter what he's getting paid, you're going to have a player on your roster who just cannot play at the level expected, it's better to move on and take that large cap space than keep him on the roster with a new QB there. Even if we do keep him for whatever reason, it certainly will not be for more than a year. It will be very tough for the team to absorb his contract but I did read that when the Colts released Manning and others, they ate nearly $40M in dead money. I think in our scenario, we would have to take in the massive $28M for 2018 which would be a nightmare, but after that things get much easier as the dead money is still an issue, but not to the extent of 2018. People missed out on this but we gave Joe his money up front, so after this year It's very much in the cards that we move on from him if he doesn't play better. Another scenario that is entirely possible is a trade. I know for a fact that there's a team who would definitely take him, if the Ravens were to do a post June 1st trade it will save 8M more on their cap and the cap issue dies down from there.

My honest sentiment is this, next season is make it or break it for Joe. If he does not preform at the level the Ravens expect him to, they will move on from him. After this season I don't even think they try to rework Joe's deal, they simply stand pat and evaluate him, if he doesn't play up to standards they will trade him or release him after the 2018 season.

FWIW, I don't want it to end that way for Joe. I really like him and I want him to stay, but he has to preform well, I definitely do not have a say in this and its only my opinion but thats just how I view things at the moment. I really hope he steps his game up because it would be a tough predicament to fall in.
 
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Here's the thing I really don't get. In 2014 we found the perfect formula for success with Flacco. Sure, Kubiak went elsewhere, but why the hell did we then go with OCs known for running the opposite types of offenses that Kubiak did?

Was it really that hard to find some offensive mind in the pros or college that liked running the ball, play action, QB rollouts, and liked to feature the TE? It's not like he had to have an identical playbook or even use the same running scheme for it to work.


I think with any head coach he has to identify what scheme he think is best for his team and especially his quarterback. What Gary Kubiak bought to The Ravens in 2014 suited Joe Flacco so well it lead to Flacco having one of his best seasons in his career. I don't think John Harbaugh wanted to totally throw that system away and wisely wanted to keep it in place but he had to find someone he could trust to run it. Even though Marc Trestman wasn't a ideal fit he seem like a intelligent guy and maybe Jim Harbaugh gave John the ringing endorsement since him and Trestman have history together. I'm not sure John Harbaugh could trust college offensive coordinator to run Gary Kubiak offensive system and the other candidate Adam Gase was bound to be a head coach candidate so I guess the idea was to hired someone that would ideally be around more than one year.
 
The good quartertbacks you speak of haven't experience what Joe Flacco has had to go through for the past 3 years atleast not often . How many of them have had to deal with consistent offensive coordinator changes like Flacco? You guys act like because this guy gets paid so much money he's suppose to adapt to so many changes and be on top of game no matter what. We knew during this off season that Mary M was going to install more of his own offense this season and when Joe Flacco missed most of training camp and preseason that took alot of time away for Flacco to get more adjusted to this offense and with his receivers. I don't get how anyone thought that it wasn't going to take more than 3 weeks of this season for Joe Flacco to knock some rust off and actually get on the same page with Marty M if not already.

I never mentioned any quarterbacks in the post that you quoted.

And, for the kind of money that this BUM is getting paid....he better be on his game! Wow! The "settling for" and "acceptance" of this bum's below mediocre QB play, after he's been starting for 10 years is just mind-blowing! :wacko::wacko:
 
So that gives a 10 year veteran QB permission to throw less than 30 yards with two interceptions?

Nah but I do think we should more considerate of the condition Joe Flacco is in. Flacco been in this league for 10 years and hasn't had a offensive coordinator to last more than 3 year since Cam Cameron. To me that's sad but I get that we expect Joe Flacco to play better but I never expected him to play sharp right away given how much time he missed due to his back.
 
Nah but I do think we should more considerate of the condition Joe Flacco is in. Flacco been in this league for 10 years and hasn't had a offensive coordinator to last more than 3 year since Cam Cameron. To me that's sad but I get that we expect Joe Flacco to play better but I never expected him to play sharp right away given how much time he missed due to his back.

Joe is a QB in the NFL. He is use to changes! Especially, after being in the league for 10 years now. And these O.C. don't change much, maybe some verbiage here or there. So, that different coordinator stuff doesn't fly as an excuse anymore for his piss poor game play.
 
Nah but I do think we should more considerate of the condition Joe Flacco is in. Flacco been in this league for 10 years and hasn't had a offensive coordinator to last more than 3 year since Cam Cameron. To me that's sad but I get that we expect Joe Flacco to play better but I never expected him to play sharp right away given how much time he missed due to his back.
No - patience wore too thin, that was inexcusable. If he is on the field, back is not an issue. Not for $25M.
 
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