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On that third down attempt from the redskins what did they do(just now)? They sent guys streaking down the field and it cleared shit way out, they sent a slot guy to hit the flats 1 yard shy of the sticks and set him up for the YAC, and it took an amazing downhill missile tackle to prevent the first down and a shit effort by Kirk and the wr for them to fall short, a high velocity pass from joe to a guy like maclin and that's a first down, but we wouldn't have called that play, on 3rd and 6 we would have ran 2 yard flats and 3 yard slants and created a fuckton of clutter and thrown to a guy who had no space to run
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
But let's say we stop having buck Allen and nick Boyle playing on third and long, say we send guys like Moore, Wallace, and Watson past the 8 yard line, maclin runs a slant/drag from the slot and woodhead finds the soft spot. Joe doesn't have to look downfield aside from looking off the safety.

Say Watson is inline, with Moore and Wallace outside, send Watson burning up the seam, that draws a safety bare minimum, perhaps a LB also, deep slant with Wallace across the field threatens a velocity pass so the safety has to anticipate this and play cautious, Moore on a fly route just in case the other safety doesn't bite, woodhead in the backfield demands attention. That leaves maclin 1v1 with either a LB or nickel back out of the slot, and THERE is your YAC. Have joe look at Watson off the snap and he WILL draw an extra defender, before joe finishes his drop his eyes should be turned to maclin where he strikes after a 3 step drop, maclin is ahead of his man, and the nearest LB and safety is on Watson, the other LB is on woodhead, and the FS is on either Wallace or Moore, wide open field and quick release so pass pro doesn't matter.

Theoretical and all, but one thing is certain, if something won't even work on paper it definitely won't work on the field, and sending everybody 5 yards deep on 3rd and 8 fails in every hypothetical and real life scenario. So you don't have to wait for deep routes to develop to make use of deep routes, you just use multiple route concepts to scheme guys open short. You simply can't let guys run downfield uncovered, you can't let big bodied TEs fly up the seam without covering his up-top and underneath, we don't have the pass pro to get downfield but we don't have to, we just have to threaten downfield.
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you can draw up the perfect play.

if the QB throws a ball that requires the receiver to make adjustments which basicially halts the receivers momentum , you can kiss any YAC good bye unless he is able to break a few tackles.

to gain constant yac starts hitting receivers in stride.
it requires good timing and ball placement.

after that its up to the receiver.

you throw a jump ball on a slant you aint going to get any YAC no matter how open the receiver is.....
 
RavensMania said:
Well on 3rd and 4th and 1 I believe are the best. Hard to screw up 1 yard
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rossihunter2 said:
was just about to post the same thing
i believe we are 31st in the league on 3rd down conversions (1 spot ahead of the browns) and that includes the fact that we have only got stuffed on 3rd/4th and 1 once all year
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What I meant is if we looked at all the teams around the league in third and long (let's say seven to go), do the Ravens rank at the bottom of the list or are they pretty much on par with most teams? I doubt any team in that situation is over 40% and if the Ravens are above 30% in that situation, then I'd consider that a win given the state of the offense.

Are other teams sitting at 40%+ because they're so good at designing these third down plays or are they just putting themselves into 3rd and 1 whereas the Ravens are putting themselves into third and long. Does that make sense?
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Well 3rd and long is incredibly hard to convert, and we do end up in a lot of those, but how often do you see 3rd and 2-3 with everybody running a 1 yard out or a 1 yard in and getting tackled one yard short? We just don't combine our routes in a way that allows us to open up space, you can't have a YAC based offense if the throwing field is cluttered because everyone is nearby. We don't see any rub routes, long and short, etc. to clear out running lanes. All it takes is for us to not send everyone on short crossing routes, when we have 4 receivers(or 3 with a TE) you challenge them far past the markers with 2 of them even if you have no intentions of targeting them, even if the defense drops 8 it still draws extra defenders and creates more space underneath, and also if they drop 8 then you may actually have time to let those deep routes develop and you can get one deep because they sell out to sit on the markers. Like I said it's all theoretical and on paper here, but god damn it's better to at least try to mix it up and use common sense than having everyone run into a wall of defenders short of the sticks lol
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The issue is if the Ravens are facing a 3rd and 2, they aren't sending all the receivers on a one yard route. Two yards is a lot more difficult to defend then like eight. The Ravens just aren't getting into favorable spots on third down and it's surely showing on Sundays.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
What I meant is if we looked at all the teams around the league in third and long (let's say seven to go), do the Ravens rank at the bottom of the list or are they pretty much on par with most teams? I doubt any team in that situation is over 40% and if the Ravens are above 30% in that situation, then I'd consider that a win given the state of the offense.

Are other teams sitting at 40%+ because they're so good at designing these third down plays or are they just putting themselves into 3rd and 1 whereas the Ravens are putting themselves into third and long. Does that make sense?
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Well overall we are 46/140 on 3rd down and 6/10 on 4th down. So overall we are 53/150, which is 35%. LT exactly what you were asking for though. @Truth

I doubt we are over 30% if we are at 35% conversion rate on all of our 3rd downs.
 
RavensMania said:
Well overall we are 46/140 on 3rd down and 6/10 on 4th down. So overall we are 53/150, which is 35%. LT exactly what you were asking for though. @Truth

I doubt we are over 30% if we are at 35% conversion rate on all of our 3rd downs.
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Given the frequency of our third and medium/long, I think you may be surprised.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
What I meant is if we looked at all the teams around the league in third and long (let's say seven to go), do the Ravens rank at the bottom of the list or are they pretty much on par with most teams? I doubt any team in that situation is over 40% and if the Ravens are above 30% in that situation, then I'd consider that a win given the state of the offense.

Are other teams sitting at 40%+ because they're so good at designing these third down plays or are they just putting themselves into 3rd and 1 whereas the Ravens are putting themselves into third and long. Does that make sense?
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so it would be very hard to compile a stat for 3rd and long on every team by myself (and i cant find one on the internet) but in normal 3rd down conversions every team (except for cleveland) is between 30% and 47%

and we are now 3rd bottom - not because we are good but because the giants last night didnt get a single 1st down last night vs the redskins in the 2nd half
 
rossihunter2 said:
so it would be very hard to compile a stat for 3rd and long on every team by myself (and i cant find one on the internet) but in normal 3rd down conversions every team (except for cleveland) is between 30% and 47%

and we are now 3rd bottom - not because we are good but because the giants last night didnt get a single 1st down last night vs the redskins in the 2nd half
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Bleacher Report every once in a while has random ESPN stats for everything. I really mean everything, but they do it weekly for a different stat and I have zero idea where to find these advanced metrics. I wish stats like these were readily available because clearly someone at ESPN is tracking it.
 
My favorite part is when the three chargers crash into each other taking each other out.
In my mind I always make a bowling strike sound effect.

Also the Anquan Boldin play saving block.
 
The funny thing is how well the play was designed.

Boldin, Pitta, Jacoby, and Torrey all run streaks at exactly the same speed to clear out the Chargers and not create uneven levels. I truly think that was a designed dump off.

Hell of a run by RR and hell of a block by Boldin.
 
I think we see a renewed look from Joe and the offense Monday night. Seems guys are comparatively healthy and there will be a good part of the squad together on the field that hasn’t been there since week 1. Marty pulls his head out of his ass and let’s them play nice things could happen.
 
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