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arnie_uk said:
I mean pitts with the wr1 in the league have just drafted back to back wrs in rounds 2.

Atl with probably the second best wr and a very good supporting cast just drafted Ridley.

Some players we didnt draft that jump straight out...

Ridley/moore
Juju
That 2014 draft not picking one wr

Its just clear they value defense over offense. And that would be ok if our defense was better than it is.

I just hope they don't treat offense the same way for jackson as they did for flacco or were in trouble
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Hurstand Jackson are defenders?
Cause that is who we picked over Ridley and Moore.

Juju was gone before we picked in round 3 and well after we picked in round 2.
So you wanted the ravens to reach or trade up or trade down not taking bowser?

2014 we traded back into the draft for Camp.
Drafted Crockett in round 3 and Taliefero later.
out of the 9 picks 5 where spend on offense in that draft.....

Yeah you clearly know wtf you talking about lol
 
Tru11 said:
Hurstand Jackson are defenders?
Cause that is who we picked over Ridley and Moore.

Juju was gone before we picked in round 3 and well after we picked in round 2.
So you wanted the ravens to reach or trade up or trade down not taking bowser?

2014 we traded back into the draft for Camp.
Drafted Crockett in round 3 and Taliefero later.
out of the 9 picks 5 where spend on offense in that draft.....

Yeah you clearly know wtf you talking about lol
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Lmao you just dont have a clue do you?

Camp/Gilmore/tali aren't players worth mentioning.

Since 2012 the offensive players we drafted are as follows:

Juice and wagner 4th round, jenson 6th, mellette 7th in 2013

Gilmore 3rd tali 4th wenning 6 camp 7 in 2014

2015 a year we actually tried but missed on everyone.. perriman williams allen Boyle Myers waller

2016 Stanley (stud) c.moore Lewis dixon Reynolds

2017 2 late round guards

So in 5 drafts we have used a pick in the top 3 rounds on offense 4 out of 17 picks and only 1, Stanley, was a success.

We clearly decided to go all in on defense.

Don't even play this game tru
 
Let me reiterate. If in our next 5 drafts we only draft 4 offensive players in the first 3 rounds de costa should be fired.

You have to help yout qb and get him weapons and protection.
 
arnie_uk said:
Let me reiterate. If in our next 5 drafts we only draft 4 offensive players in the first 3 rounds de costa should be fired.

You have to help yout qb and get him weapons and protection.
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Fortunately protection should be a tad easier. Stanley and Brown look to be bookends for the next decade
 
arnie_uk said:
Lmao you just dont have a clue do you?

Camp/Gilmore/tali aren't players worth mentioning.

Since 2012 the offensive players we drafted are as follows:

Juice and wagner 4th round, jenson 6th, mellette 7th in 2013

Gilmore 3rd tali 4th wenning 6 camp 7 in 2014

2015 a year we actually tried but missed on everyone.. perriman williams allen Boyle Myers waller

2016 Stanley (stud) c.moore Lewis dixon Reynolds

2017 2 late round guards

So in 5 drafts we have used a pick in the top 3 rounds on offense 4 out of 17 picks and only 1, Stanley, was a success.

We clearly decided to go all in on defense.

Don't even play this game tru
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You dont have a clue.

When you sign players from FA it affects your draft strategy along with players coming back from the prior season.
Coupled that with your draft position, other team needs ,your own team needs, strength of the draft class and plenty of other factors and well you might not draft a player at a certain position.

As long as the you keep this narrowmind way of thinking a float you will never understand why things happen.

Saying the ravens just decided to go defense is a load of crap neglecting all the factors that have an influence on the entire proces.

What guaranteed do you have that the ravens still would have picked mosley if Odell or Watkins where still on the board rather then getting picked earlier?
Who says the ravens would picked Humprey if Davis, ross or Williams would still have been availeble?
Heck doubt they would have passed on fournette for humprey.
Doubt the ravens would have picked elam if austin or eifert or hopkins where there.
You think the ravens would have drafted jimmy smith over julio jones?
Heck the ravens where planning on drafting Dez bryant until the Cowboys paid the price to jump them.
You seriously think they where going to pass on him because they had settled for kindle?

Trading up or down requires a trading partner.
Reaching is about as stupid as it gets.
Selling the house is even more foolish then that.
 
Tru11 said:
You dont have a clue.

When you sign players from FA it affects your draft strategy along with players coming back from the prior season.
Coupled that with your draft position, other team needs ,your own team needs, strength of the draft class and plenty of other factors and well you might not draft a player at a certain position.

As long as the you keep this narrowmind way of thinking a float you will never understand why things happen.

Saying the ravens just decided to go defense is a load of crap neglecting all the factors that have an influence on the entire proces.

What guaranteed do you have that the ravens still would have picked mosley if Odell or Watkins where still on the board rather then getting picked earlier?
Who says the ravens would picked Humprey if Davis, ross or Williams would still have been availeble?
Heck doubt they would have passed on fournette for humprey.
Doubt the ravens would have picked elam if austin or eifert or hopkins where there.
You think the ravens would have drafted jimmy smith over julio jones?
Heck the ravens where planning on drafting Dez bryant until the Cowboys paid the price to jump them.
You seriously think they where going to pass on him because they had settled for kindle?

Trading up or down requires a trading partner.
Reaching is about as stupid as it gets.
Selling the house is even more foolish then that.
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Its only a reach if it doesnt work. Taking Antonio Brown in the 4th or 5th would have been considered a reach, but if Ravens decided they must have him and picked him, they would have ended up being right
 
There's no debate. For many reasons Joe Flacco has not had the level of receivers/TEs other successful NFL QBs are provided. And it's dumb/silly/stupid to suggest that any of those players that failed miserably would have done better anywhere else, a myth that's easily dispelled when you look at how they performed when leaving the team. In fact most were not playing in the NFL after leaving.
 
Adreme said:
Its only a reach if it doesnt work. Taking Antonio Brown in the 4th or 5th would have been considered a reach, but if Ravens decided they must have him and picked him, they would have ended up being right
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yeah and if they did that and it did not work yall would be complaining even more about a player who would not be worth the pick and argue they should have taken `` insert whoever was the hype`` .

no guaranteed whatsoever that brown would be a top 3 receiver had he been drafted by the ravens.
Odds are he would have spend the first 2 seasons on IR.
not to mention we have arguabally the worst track record in developing receivers period.
 
Tru11 said:
You dont have a clue.

When you sign players from FA it affects your draft strategy along with players coming back from the prior season.
Coupled that with your draft position, other team needs ,your own team needs, strength of the draft class and plenty of other factors and well you might not draft a player at a certain position.

As long as the you keep this narrowmind way of thinking a float you will never understand why things happen.

Saying the ravens just decided to go defense is a load of crap neglecting all the factors that have an influence on the entire proces.

What guaranteed do you have that the ravens still would have picked mosley if Odell or Watkins where still on the board rather then getting picked earlier?
Who says the ravens would picked Humprey if Davis, ross or Williams would still have been availeble?
Heck doubt they would have passed on fournette for humprey.
Doubt the ravens would have picked elam if austin or eifert or hopkins where there.
You think the ravens would have drafted jimmy smith over julio jones?
Heck the ravens where planning on drafting Dez bryant until the Cowboys paid the price to jump them.
You seriously think they where going to pass on him because they had settled for kindle?

Trading up or down requires a trading partner.
Reaching is about as stupid as it gets.
Selling the house is even more foolish then that.
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So your saying we have added as much to the offense as we have defense in the 5 seasons since the superbowl?
 
arnie_uk said:
So your saying we have added as much to the offense as we have defense in the 5 seasons since the superbowl?
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Even the high profile FA acquisitions since the super bowl(Dumervil, Weddle, Jefferson) have mostly been defense. Re-signings? Defense.

it's undeniable.
 
More was lost on defense than offense after the SB. That might explain why more draft stock was put it in. The FO couldn't anticipate that losing a center would have the OL playing like horse shit in 13 or Pittas hips aging like milk in the sun. Or Ray Rice deciding to play Knockout Kings in Jersey. The only real move you can blame on them is trading Boldin for that year. People also speak on re-signs like they haven't traded or let big names go on d. The only person weve kept recently was Williams and I guess Jimmy. Say what you want but Wagmer wasn't worth it. The only legitimate beef you can really make is they don't spend on WR and most of you say they "just need someone decent" until that person who draws much hype doesn't pan out. And the funny thing about that is the people most critical of Flacco are the ones saying stop being cheap and get a real playmaker, but those defending him say it's not necessary most the time. That's is until this time in off season or when he stinks the place up and comparisons are made to other wr corps.
 
Tru11 said:
You dont have a clue.

When you sign players from FA it affects your draft strategy along with players coming back from the prior season.
Coupled that with your draft position, other team needs ,your own team needs, strength of the draft class and plenty of other factors and well you might not draft a player at a certain position.

As long as the you keep this narrowmind way of thinking a float you will never understand why things happen.

Saying the ravens just decided to go defense is a load of crap neglecting all the factors that have an influence on the entire proces.

What guaranteed do you have that the ravens still would have picked mosley if Odell or Watkins where still on the board rather then getting picked earlier?
Who says the ravens would picked Humprey if Davis, ross or Williams would still have been availeble?
Heck doubt they would have passed on fournette for humprey.
Doubt the ravens would have picked elam if austin or eifert or hopkins where there.
You think the ravens would have drafted jimmy smith over julio jones?
Heck the ravens where planning on drafting Dez bryant until the Cowboys paid the price to jump them.
You seriously think they where going to pass on him because they had settled for kindle?

Trading up or down requires a trading partner.
Reaching is about as stupid as it gets.
Selling the house is even more foolish then that.
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I'm going to add to this and i'm not saying whether I disagree or agree, because you are both correct in your own right. However, there has been research out there and I tried to find it before posting this, that most championship teams have a history of drafting more players on defense in the first couple rounds than those on offense.
 
RavensMania said:
I'm going to add to this and i'm not saying whether I disagree or agree, because you are both correct in your own right. However, there has been research out there and I tried to find it before posting this, that most championship teams have a history of drafting more players on defense in the first couple rounds than those on offense.
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According to SBNation:

leading up to SB 51 ATL vs NE 2013-2016 draft trends:

1st round:
83% defense and 0% QB, RB, WR, TE
league average: 53% defense. 25% offensive skill

2nd and 3rd round:
67% defense and 39% DBs, but 28% offensive skill positions
league average: 52% defense and 20% DBs 28% off.skill



Trends 2008-2015 worst teams (Jax, TB, CLE, OAK,TEN) vs.league average

1st round only:
more QB, RB, WR and TE 45% vs 28%
less defense 40% vs 51%


1st to 3rd round;
offense 54% vs 48%
defense 45% vs 51%
More DL 44% vs 38%
fewer DBs 30% vs. 36%
 
RavensMania said:
I'm going to add to this and i'm not saying whether I disagree or agree, because you are both correct in your own right. However, there has been research out there and I tried to find it before posting this, that most championship teams have a history of drafting more players on defense in the first couple rounds than those on offense.
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How do they get their offensive players? Free agency?

We don't even do that. We sign players past their best of the cheap
 
cdp said:
According to SBNation:

leading up to SB 51 ATL vs NE 2013-2016 draft trends:

1st round:
83% defense and 0% QB, RB, WR, TE
league average: 53% defense. 25% offensive skill

2nd and 3rd round:
67% defense and 39% DBs, but 28% offensive skill positions
league average: 52% defense and 20% DBs 28% off.skill



Trends 2008-2015 worst teams (Jax, TB, CLE, OAK,TEN) vs.league average

1st round only:
more QB, RB, WR and TE 45% vs 28%
less defense 40% vs 51%


1st to 3rd round;
offense 54% vs 48%
defense 45% vs 51%
More DL 44% vs 38%
fewer DBs 30% vs. 36%
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Thx
 
cdp said:
According to SBNation:

leading up to SB 51 ATL vs NE 2013-2016 draft trends:

1st round:
83% defense and 0% QB, RB, WR, TE
league average: 53% defense. 25% offensive skill

2nd and 3rd round:
67% defense and 39% DBs, but 28% offensive skill positions
league average: 52% defense and 20% DBs 28% off.skill



Trends 2008-2015 worst teams (Jax, TB, CLE, OAK,TEN) vs.league average

1st round only:
more QB, RB, WR and TE 45% vs 28%
less defense 40% vs 51%


1st to 3rd round;
offense 54% vs 48%
defense 45% vs 51%
More DL 44% vs 38%
fewer DBs 30% vs. 36%
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Thats marred by the fact the worst teams constantly have to draft qbs. I mean the browns must be averaging 1 a year since i started following the nfl.

Regarding atl and the pats, wasn't Julio drafted the year before they started that data set. They also just drafted Ridley. The pats traded a first for cooks.

Just change the date parameters a couple of years and the percentages change quite drastically
 
arnie_uk said:
Thats marred by the fact the worst teams constantly have to draft qbs. I mean the browns must be averaging 1 a year since i started following the nfl.

Regarding atl and the pats, wasn't Julio drafted the year before they started that data set. They also just drafted Ridley. The pats traded a first for cooks.

Just change the date parameters a couple of years and the percentages change quite drastically
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Julio was drafted in 2011, not 2012 and you can’t change it because thst traded for Cooks. They typically have veteran offensive players for the most part in New England
 
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