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The General TE Thread

Boldnpurpblack said:
Well I take "sleeping on" to mean, you arent paying attention to, havent done the homework on, or are overlooking something.

I dont think that I have or am. Ive thought about it, considered everything... and i know he could very well lead this TE group, and the safe money is probably that he will.

But i think too many people are sleeping on the negatives. Watson has one 800 yd season, one 700 yd season, and one 600 yd season. And only 1 was in his last 5 seasons. He has more seasons with 0-250 yds than he does 600+ yds.

He has 3x more seasons with 500 yds receiving or less than he does seasons with 500 yds receiving or more.

Most guys dont suddenly start peak production trends at 36 yo coming off an achilles.

I think he can be an effective player for us. I think he can even be our lead TE. But, i just think that if he is its only bc Boyle, Gillmore or Maxx have not progressed to their potential.

Most likely im expecting the position to be platooned with no guy getting over 400 or so yards.


So I guess it depends on what you think will surprise me, or what youre expecting Watson to do. I wont be at all surprised if he leads our TE's with 35-50 catches for like 400-450 yds. But I also wouldnt consider that a huge success for our TE group (though it actually would be one of Watsons best 4-5 seasons ever).
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Boyle could actually be a pretty effective TE. A bigger better blocking version of Owen Daniels when he was a raven. Not quite a prime Owen Daniels. And he doesn't have the potential of Max at his best But a pretty effective receiver nonetheless. One that can break open from LB coverage and to big for most safety's. He is big at 6'5 1/2 265 lbs and runs nice sudden routes. He is not the plodder his big frame suggests.

He has some athleticism and shiftiness to his routes. He is about 265lbs and a good blocker but not a great blocker. He could be a far better blocker if he gets his technique down and takes blocking seriously. Although not totally out of shape like Max he could stand to lean out to about 250lbs. He would get a little faster and more sudden. Boyle and Max could be a very effective tandem. However if the TE position is going to give the offense something special explosive and game changing. It has to be Max getting in his best game shape and playing at his best.
 
Boldnpurpblack said:
Well I take "sleeping on" to mean, you arent paying attention to, havent done the homework on, or are overlooking something.

I dont think that I have or am. Ive thought about it, considered everything... and i know he could very well lead this TE group, and the safe money is probably that he will.

But i think too many people are sleeping on the negatives. Watson has one 800 yd season, one 700 yd season, and one 600 yd season. And only 1 was in his last 5 seasons. He has more seasons with 0-250 yds than he does 600+ yds.

He has 3x more seasons with 500 yds receiving or less than he does seasons with 500 yds receiving or more.

Most guys dont suddenly start peak production trends at 36 yo coming off an achilles.

I think he can be an effective player for us. I think he can even be our lead TE. But, i just think that if he is its only bc Boyle, Gillmore or Maxx have not progressed to their potential.

Most likely im expecting the position to be platooned with no guy getting over 400 or so yards.


So I guess it depends on what you think will surprise me, or what youre expecting Watson to do. I wont be at all surprised if he leads our TE's with 35-50 catches for like 400-450 yds. But I also wouldnt consider that a huge success for our TE group (though it actually would be one of Watsons best 4-5 seasons ever).
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Not going to make any "bold"(haha) predictions for #s, but as I mentioned a couple of months ago I just feel if Watson is fully recovered he comes in and plays with purpose, something to prove to Bmore.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Boyle could actually be a pretty effective TE. A bigger better blocking version of Owen Daniels when he was a raven. Not quite a prime Owen Daniels. And he doesn't have the potential of Max at his best But a pretty effective receiver nonetheless. One that can break open from LB coverage and to big for most safety's. He is big at 6'5 1/2 265 lbs and runs nice sudden routes. He is not the plodder his big frame suggests.

He has some athleticism and shiftiness to his routes. He is about 265lbs and a good blocker but not a great blocker. He could be a far better blocker if he gets his technique down and takes blocking seriously. Although not totally out of shape like Max he could stand to lean out to about 250lbs. He would get a little faster and more sudden. Boyle and Max could be a very effective tandem. However if the TE position is going to give the offense something special explosive and game changing. It has to be Max getting in his best game shape and playing at his best.
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I actually think out of the TE's we have right now, Boyle would be my pick as the guy to lead the group.

He's a good enough blocker and receiver to be on the field in both obvious running and passing situations. And hes shown an ability to get YAC. Maxx clearly has the most upside as a pass catching TE, Gillmore has the most physical upside, and Watson is the most experienced and reliable (if healthy).... but I think Boyle brings the best blend of everything we ask TE's to do, and therefore has the best shot as of right now to start.

But like i said, i dont think we'll have any 1 TE dominating snaps. Health permitting i think all the guys will get a somewhat balanced snap load.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Boyle could actually be a pretty effective TE. A bigger better blocking version of Owen Daniels when he was a raven. Not quite a prime Owen Daniels. And he doesn't have the potential of Max at his best But a pretty effective receiver nonetheless. One that can break open from LB coverage and to big for most safety's. He is big at 6'5 1/2 265 lbs and runs nice sudden routes. He is not the plodder his big frame suggests.

He has some athleticism and shiftiness to his routes. He is about 265lbs and a good blocker but not a great blocker. He could be a far better blocker if he gets his technique down and takes blocking seriously. Although not totally out of shape like Max he could stand to lean out to about 250lbs. He would get a little faster and more sudden. Boyle and Max could be a very effective tandem. However if the TE position is going to give the offense something special explosive and game changing. It has to be Max getting in his best game shape and playing at his best.
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ill agree with this. i was pissed at the boyle pick when it happened, but i think he looks like the safest option at the moment, barring suspension of course. watson coming off of that achilles is a problem, maxx williams is an obvious injury and conditioning concern and im making peace with the fact that maybe year 4 is his breakout, and boyle is the last man standing, and he has shown to be much more of an athlete than we thought he was in college, and has been fundamentally a solid TE all around. when hes on the field, he has some ability to get open, hes got more wiggle to his game than youd expect and can apply some surprising explosion, when he catches the ball with some green in front of him he turns on the burners a little, and his hurdling highlights that surprising athleticism. rock solid hands, and just generally powerful and able to use that big body well, anchoring down on the line to shield guys in the run game, lowering his shoulder on catches to grind out extra yards, and has made a few really impressive catches on poorly thrown balls. i would just like to see him box out in the passing game more, bring that antonio gates body shielding catching style, if he can do that better than sky is the limit for this kid, you dont want someone that big and powerful knowing how to masterfully throw that weight around against db's
 
Maybe everyone else already knows this, but I just read and learned that Williams had a knee procedure done that no one has returned from to play football. That doesn't sound very positive to say the least.
 
Tank said:
Maybe everyone else already knows this, but I just read and learned that Williams had a knee procedure done that no one has returned from to play football. That doesn't sound very positive to say the least.
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Most of us knew. Which is why he was such a wild card to come back this earlier.

Now get into fucking shape to shut up quick twitch muscle man and go dominate on the field. You're likely the best TE on the roster. Do it.
 
Tank said:
Maybe everyone else already knows this, but I just read and learned that Williams had a knee procedure done that no one has returned from to play football. That doesn't sound very positive to say the least.
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A surgery that no football player has ever gotten before period. It's not like it has a 0% success rate.
 
Boldnpurpblack said:
I actually think out of the TE's we have right now, Boyle would be my pick as the guy to lead the group.

He's a good enough blocker and receiver to be on the field in both obvious running and passing situations. And hes shown an ability to get YAC. Maxx clearly has the most upside as a pass catching TE, Gillmore has the most physical upside, and Watson is the most experienced and reliable (if healthy).... but I think Boyle brings the best blend of everything we ask TE's to do, and therefore has the best shot as of right now to start.

But like i said, i dont think we'll have any 1 TE dominating snaps. Health permitting i think all the guys will get a somewhat balanced snap load.
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I wouldn't say Gillmore has physical upside. He just isn't athletic
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
Most of us knew. Which is why he was such a wild card to come back this earlier.

Now get into fucking shape to shut up quick twitch muscle man and go dominate on the field. You're likely the best TE on the roster. Do it.
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Hey, y do u mention me?? M i the only one that wants to see Max at his best?? A pro bowl caliber player and maybe even all pro caliber. Dude is so friggin gifted and natural running routes and snagging the football with big strong clamps for hands.

Deebo813 said:
i want to see gilmore and max on the field together
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Interesting. But I would prefer Max at his best and Boyle at his best for 2 TE sets. The tandem can block for run plays. And run good routes on throwing plays to keep opposition guessing while setting up mismatches running and throwing.

Actually the ideal setup. Max finally in great shape and one of top 5 TEs in the league. Boyle at his best and a nice NO.2 complementary TE that is actually good enough to be front TE. Like is said mismatches running and throwing while keeping opposition off balance and guessing. Now even more mismatch with Dixon hitting his roof realizing his potential as the best dual threat running back in the league. Then comes the real X factor. Finding a fullback about 6'2 or so and 245-250lbs that is a bruising blocker and a really good runner. But most of all have receiving skills of a 1000 yard athletic TE if he were to play that position full time. Teams around the NFL wouldn't be able to defend that!! Set up to contain Dixon running and you have those extra very capable blockers in Max and fullback to spring him anyways. But if the defense is running a package to contain Dixon the real payoff is Max and a fullback with the speed and receiving skills of a WR. Opposing teams would get hit with big plays if it were in run stuff mode.

If set up to defend throws the blocking skill of Max and the fullback would push around the extra defensive backs to spring Dixon for big plays while breaking tackles from the not so great of tackling extra defensive backs in that package. Whatever opposition attempts to zero in on to defend would create a mismatch.
 
I'm on a role. And slept most of the day(working from 4-3 sucks. You read that right).
I did a pseudo breakdown but what the hell. Another one isn't terrible.


TE's... The most uncertain group on the roster.

Benjamin Watson- Wildcard. But I don't want him here. I still want us to cut even even though he took a 50% paycut. He's probably going to steal snaps from the young guns and hinder their development. Which pisses me off but whatever. He's got good hands and is a good veteran locker room presence. But my stance is still here: make him a fucking coach or something.

Maxx Williams-My undoubtedly favorite prospect of the bunch. Best hands, much improved as a blocker last year. Good athletic ability. Could he stand to lose a couple of pounds? Sure. He could. But ultimately it won't make or break him. At worst, he's another Heath Miller type and that's a damn good guy to have. He is an X factor for us along with Dixon and Perriman, and I think all three are likely to pan out. He excells in contested grabs, and if he could stay healthy(and we actually fucking used him right. Yeah I'm looking at you Trestman), he's got a chance to be the #1 TE on the roster from day one. And as stated previously, with Perriman, Maclin, and Wallace, the middle is practically his for the taking. Good luck.

Crockett Gillmore- I give Crockett a really hard time. He's a good player, but the fanbase overrates him a ton. Nice soft hands, hard to bring down in the open field, good(But overrated) blocker. He can't stay healthy either. That said, he's an ideal TE #2 for any team. I wish we could run screens effectivley, because if we could scheme a guy like him open near the red zone, he'd be an unstoppable force recieving wise... But nope. He'll get hurt again.

Nick Boyle- If he doesn't get suspended... He's my pick to be the TE #2 and overtake Watson(hopefully). Jack of all trades: master of none. Good route runner, great size, very good blocker, good hands. Get him more snaps damnit.

Darren Waller-Sadly, I'm happy he was suspended. The hype he recieved was unreal. Rawer than Ahi Tuna, and still stand by it. Just cut our losses.

Ryan Malleck or whatever- Who cares? Probably gone.
 
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