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The OL Thread

rossihunter2 said:
it would have made a huge difference - flacco had no room to throw because of pressure from inside - he couldnt step into throws, he had to get rid of the ball too quickly, it meant we had not time to throw deep except that one time with the miss to perriman

the bears blitzed but they very rarely left themselves in pure man coverage and the lack of creativity in our coordinators would mean all we're doing with kirk is putting him on the field in stead of maclin/perriman - sure it diversifies the routes we run but it doesnt increase the playmaking potential on the outside by a huge amount whereas quenton nelson maybe springs a few more of those 2 yard runs into 6 yard runs or gives flacco an extra second or two in the pocket because eluemunor hasnt missed the delayed blitz or stunt, or because hurst hasnt been bulled into flacco's lap

when a qb has time they can do whatever they want - look at the bears today - they had literally no receivers and somehow still put up a few points and moved the football because trubisky was rarely under pressure until the end of the game
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I don't buy that at all. The line wasn't that bad today. So many other teams, probably 25/32 have the same problem it worse. Flacco can't hit a god damn slant if the guy is wide open.
I'm not even a big fan of Kirk but if he catches even one of the balks that bounce if our "receiver" hands, we probably win. Maclin is good but we don't even use him right. Wallace catches s bomb once every 3 games then fades into nothing. The only time Perriman has even tried to catch he gets lit the hell up. He could run a 3.1 40 for all I care but doesn't mean shit if he can't track the ball or catch it.
 
Also the Bears didnt even move the ball that well. Take away the pick six, and int. That's how the scored 2 Tds. Howard is great, but so would be an offensive cord who knew to keep running the ball.
 
purplepittabread88 said:
I don't buy that at all. The line wasn't that bad today. So many other teams, probably 25/32 have the same problem it worse. Flacco can't hit a god damn slant if the guy is wide open.
I'm not even a big fan of Kirk but if he catches even one of the balks that bounce if our "receiver" hands, we probably win. Maclin is good but we don't even use him right. Wallace catches s bomb once every 3 games then fades into nothing. The only time Perriman has even tried to catch he gets lit the hell up. He could run a 3.1 40 for all I care but doesn't mean shit if he can't track the ball or catch it.
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the interior of our line was abysmal against the bears defensive front and flacco constantly had pressure in his face or had 3rd and long situations to deal with - we sometimes get chunks in our running game but maybe because the playcalling becomes predictable we end up with multiple series where we get 2 yard chunks on successive downs or we get stuffed at the line and leave ourselves with 3rd and 6/7 and longer... that's an obvious passing down and lo and behold james hurst and jermaine eluemunor got pushed right into flacco's face - hell even jensen didnt have a great game yesterday
 
purplepittabread88 said:
I don't buy that at all. The line wasn't that bad today. So many other teams, probably 25/32 have the same problem it worse. Flacco can't hit a god damn slant if the guy is wide open.
I'm not even a big fan of Kirk but if he catches even one of the balks that bounce if our "receiver" hands, we probably win. Maclin is good but we don't even use him right. Wallace catches s bomb once every 3 games then fades into nothing. The only time Perriman has even tried to catch he gets lit the hell up. He could run a 3.1 40 for all I care but doesn't mean shit if he can't track the ball or catch it.
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It's very well documented that Flacco can't play under pressure. It's that simple. Yesterday he had Hicks and Co in his face all game long. We're not going to move the ball with this QB and this OL. So either you make a huge gamble on a young QB, either you boost your OL (and btw find some skill players deserving of that name, with a gameplan).
 
I think even if we sign Andrew Norwell to a massive deal, and get Jensen, that we should draft Nelson if we are in draft position. We are unlikely to finish with the top 5 pick people seem to put is with, so Rosen is a bit out of the question. So's Darnold.

But still. The line needs to be fucking fixed.
 
We should have spent a lot of the past drafts taking the cowboys approach and building an OL. Whitehair in 2016, and lamp last year would've made such a difference, but don't get me wrong I still like the Humphrey pick and so far it's looking like the right one, but to have better olinemen would've made such a difference.

Taking Nelson would make the biggest difference and there is zero risk there.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
We should have spent a lot of the past drafts taking the cowboys approach and building an OL. Whitehair in 2016, and lamp last year would've made such a difference, but don't get me wrong I still like the Humphrey pick and so far it's looking like the right one, but to have better olinemen would've made such a difference.

Taking Nelson would make the biggest difference and there is zero risk there.
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tbf we dont know if lamp would have been a good pick given that he's not played a down this year - whitehair i agree with (although he's had an awful sophomore year so far) but i guess if he was playing for us he probably would be at guard not center
 
rossihunter2 said:
tbf we dont know if lamp would have been a good pick given that he's not played a down this year - whitehair i agree with (although he's had an awful sophomore year so far) but i guess if he was playing for us he probably would be at guard not center
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Going with the thought of whitehair at guard, and to assume lamp would've been solid starting caliber at worst wouldn't be the craziest assumption
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Going with the thought of whitehair at guard, and to assume lamp would've been solid starting caliber at worst wouldn't be the craziest assumption
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given that correa has officially lost the starting wlb spot to onwuasor then its pretty clear that whitehair would be an improvement but im not sure id want to lose humphrey for lamp even with how bad this oline is at the moment
 
rossihunter2 said:
given that correa has officially lost the starting wlb spot to onwuasor then its pretty clear that whitehair would be an improvement but im not sure id want to lose humphrey for lamp even with how bad this oline is at the moment
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Tried to defend Correa even though I didn't like the pick when it was made, but boy were there better options.
 
Jacquouille said:
Tried to defend Correa even though I didn't like the pick when it was made, but boy were there better options.
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it just seems to be the way with some of these picks - we've had generally good drafts the last few years but we've had some missed opportunities to truly kick on - wasted 2nd and 1st round picks - we've picked up good players in most drafts including 2013 (which looked abysmal for a while) the problem is we keep finding gems in the middle rounds but keep having some infuriating misses with day 1 and 2 picks which hold us back

2015 i feel is holding us back right now in the same way that 2013 did too
i think it shows how important hitting the top end talent is because you are more likely to find your cornerstones in rounds 1 and 2 - look at CJ and ronnie stanley and (hopefully) marlon humphrey - but we've missed on correa, (jernigan kinda), terrence brooks, correa, maxx, crockett, elam, brown to name a few - tbf kaufusi hasnt looked great in limited snaps either and is already being outplayed by wormley

no matter the fact that out of those drafts we got all sorts of mid round guys like tavon, brandon williams, rick wagner, judon, henry, juice, jensen and to a certain extent carl davis, ZDS, buck allen, nick boyle, brent urban, camp - it doesnt really counteract the misses on potential game changing talents - we get a lot of solid players through the draft and very rarely do we have entire drafts devoid of talent but its been a frustrating trend of treading water in the league not getting better or worse really for a couple of years now in terms of personnel - now hopefully the last couple of drafts change that (even with correa and kaufusi under performing)
 
rossihunter2 said:
tbf we dont know if lamp would have been a good pick given that he's not played a down this year - whitehair i agree with (although he's had an awful sophomore year so far) but i guess if he was playing for us he probably would be at guard not center
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It’s also possible Jensen would be at guard and Whitehair would be at center.
 
RavensMania said:
I agree, but we may have had him there last season and most likely wouldn’t have changed him this season.
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that's possible but if hed been snapping the ball that bad i imagine we might have switched him at this point - ive been surprised we've had very few issues with ryan snapping the ball to joe
 
rossihunter2 said:
that's possible but if hed been snapping the ball that bad i imagine we might have switched him at this point - ive been surprised we've had very few issues with ryan snapping the ball to joe
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You’re right, it is interesting that we haven’t had many issues with Jensen snapping the ball. Figured with a first year Center we would have. Knock on wood.
 
RavensMania said:
You’re right, it is interesting that we haven’t had many issues with Jensen snapping the ball. Figured with a first year Center we would have. Knock on wood.
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i think part of it might be that he has always been a "reserve" centre so will have had snaps with joe/ the backup qbs before even if it wasnt as a starter whereas a lot of the rookie centres are getting thrown straight into the fire because of the dearth at the position
 
rossihunter2 said:
i think part of it might be that he has always been a "reserve" centre so will have had snaps with joe/ the backup qbs before even if it wasnt as a starter whereas a lot of the rookie centres are getting thrown straight into the fire because of the dearth at the position
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Probably, but game action is a lot different than practice. You see different looks from different players in many different circumstances, but yeah, practice does help.
 
RavensMania said:
Probably, but game action is a lot different than practice. You see different looks from different players in many different circumstances, but yeah, practice does help.
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im only guessing as to why - i cant remember us having any snapping issues for a long time - i know gino gradkowski was in joe's lap the whole time but did he even snap badly - i cant remember...

my guess is that we just dont have rookie starting centres in the building
 
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