Yea its the index finger man.. its either that or his throwing motion along with the index finger. Im saying this because ive seen him stand still and throw wobbly passes. If youve thrown a football alot the legit only way your passes can consistently be wobbly is cause of your grip.. i could be wrong but i dnt think i am..
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i think the rest of his hand can sometimes get a bit too high on the ball
lamar's finger's on the tip but it's not far off where mahomes or kyler or others have their fingers - lots of these younger QBs have less traditional hand grips on the ball where they're further up the ball with their index finger - which is actually probably what allows them to consistently make those off-schedule/weird arm angle type throws
but his passes arent consistently super wobbly - we see it in practice videos each year but hardly see it at all in season
it would definitely be related to his grip but i dont think it's to do with the index finger - more to do with the rest of the grip getting too high on the ball
Yea last year we didnt see them as much. I think its mainly on them outside throws possibly?
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Spirals, do indeed, a simple catch for the receiver make
hard to say - i honestly dont remember seeing any though
and the only ball i can remember coming out of his hands wrong was the INT on the deep shot to boykin in the wildcard game against the titans and that didnt look to have anything to do with his index finger looked more like his footwork and core didn't engage properly and it just didn't get anywhere near spot it needed to get to
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So are receivers. Easier to catch. Fun fact: tight spirals also carry through the weather better too.
not sure that’s actually true
the physics suggests that some wobble actually helps stabilise a ball’s trajectory - I’m not talking as much wobble as we see from Lamar at times but a super tight spiral doesn’t actually move through the air as effectively as a ball with some wobble
and receivers catch weird balls arriving in weird spots and without spirals all the time - if a receiver needs the ball spiralled to him to catch it then he’s probably not a pro-receiver
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So wobbly passes are better in the wind than a ball that cuts straight through it? And I’m not saying an NFL Wr can’t catch them... I’m saying they love it more because it’s easier to catch
There’s an optimal amount of wobble that can be measured - drew Brees was pretty close to perfectly balanced between spin and wobble
But in terms of its movement through the air, the biggest different between some wobble and no wobble is mostly aesthetic
as long as the ball is not dying in the air (which it hasn’t been) because the wobble’s got too big I have zero concerns about Lamar’s spiral
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On one hand we have Flacco who threw a tight spiral, but did it make him a good and consistent qb? Hell no. On the other hand I'd love to see lamar changing his grip but at this point i just don't believe he will ever change it
YES YES YES YES YES!!!
we wondered who/when the false step was fixed - they literally have tee mic'd up as he's coaching it out of rashod
and then i like seeing the details of him coaching rashod to attack the defenders and their leverage and take their space (which hurries up their timing) - seemed to be wanting him to be physical at the release there (which makes sense)... will be interesting if those teaching points are adjusted for hollywood and the others on the team (i assume they will be tailored to those individual guys)
had not seen or heard a ton of tee martin before (only really Dubb) so this is really exciting
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other than the monsoon in new england, which bad weather games has lamar not done well in?
idk maybe ive just got my WR coach hype spectacles on but i never got the sense that culley or engram before him were anywhere near as detail-oriented with route-running as tee and dubb
you can definitely see tee's QB past showing up too, you can see some of the details in the way he's teaching them that are about helping the QB with their route-running (creating space for the QB to throw into etc.) and i know he's talked about taking his WRs through the QB's reads and progressions to help them understand the play designs and their roles within the play (which is one of the things that lots of the assorted nfl media pundits picked up on but called poor play design - when in fact it was more likely receivers mis-reading the plays post-snap - im not saying there wasn't some predictable play design but lots of the plays that kurt warner and steve smith etc. picked up on looked like more receiver error/receiver teaching error than play design per se)
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49ers game 2019. We haven’t really seen him in too too many severe wind games or snow games
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Shit, you mean all the times the receivers ran in the same exact areas on the play, and when Snead blew up Boykin in the Chiefs game, were on the receivers and not mentally challenged level play calling from Roman??
pretty sure lamar carried the team to that 49ers win...
and the bills game in 2019 was also hella windy...
he hasnt had a snow game yet
but you're right - cant think of a ton of awful weather games - but that also makes it tough to say that he's actually bad at them