Next Up: @ Browns

[RavensMania]

This may be the most winnable game of the remaining games and with the Browns being a running team and Baker currently struggling we have a chance, but it will be another dog fight. If Lamar doesn't gift them four interceptions or any interceptions for that matter, we will win this game.

I expect the Browns to play 11 personnel with the loss of Marlon Humphrey and that could be our downfall.

 

[JO_75]

Well.... just copy Belichick's gameplan from tonight. Run nearly 50 times and limit Lamar to just three passes. They can't hurt us on offense if we keep our offense out there for 60 minutes straight lol. If we somehow manage to not get burned by Landry and company in the passing game, I will be shocked. I know Baker is injured but Humphrey's injury and our depleted secondary is a perfect cure for the Browns offensive woes coming off their bye. I know we have 8 wins and I will never understand how but we lose this one and basically we are done for with the rest of the AFC Teams getting good at the right time.

 

[Nurps]

Myles Garrett is gonna feast.

 

[Dom McRaven]

Myles Garrett is gonna feast.

So will Landry. I expect him to have at least 175+ yards.

 

[OURavensFan]

Let’s see how the Browns take advantage of this schedule gift. We lost two players to injury of course since our last Browns game, so literally what we all predicted, beat up in Pittsburgh then play Browns off a bye with 3 weeks of prep on us

 

[OURavensFan]

Well.... just copy Belichick's gameplan from tonight. Run nearly 50 times and limit Lamar to just three passes. They can't hurt us on offense if we keep our offense out there for 60 minutes straight lol. If we somehow manage to not get burned by Landry and company in the passing game, I will be shocked. I know Baker is injured but Humphrey's injury and our depleted secondary is a perfect cure for the Browns offensive woes coming off their bye. I know we have 8 wins and I will never understand how but we lose this one and basically we are done for with the rest of the AFC Teams getting good at the right time.

We’re gonna shock the world and win a super bowl, Jimmy Smith will get MVP

 

[jboy19]

I feel like there's irony in looking back on how much of a roster crunch they had at corner this year. Went from barely squeezing Westry on the roster to needing to start him in important games. Also wasn't expecting to have Jimmy Smith and Tavon Young as starters in Week 13 of the most injured season in Ravens history.

 

[rossihunter2]

I feel like there's irony in looking back on how much of a roster crunch they had at corner this year. Went from barely squeezing Westry on the roster to needing to start him in important games. Also wasn't expecting to have Jimmy Smith and Tavon Young as starters in Week 13 of the most injured season in Ravens history.

lol we literally had 8 CBs we liked and managed to keep 7 of them and the other was immediately claimed on waivers by the seahawks...

outrageous lol - the last guy on (washington) is on i/r and the guy who squeezed in ahead of him is now our starter

 

[rmcjacket23]

I feel like there's irony in looking back on how much of a roster crunch they had at corner this year. Went from barely squeezing Westry on the roster to needing to start him in important games. Also wasn't expecting to have Jimmy Smith and Tavon Young as starters in Week 13 of the most injured season in Ravens history.

I see people comparing it to 2014. I don't agree at all. In 2014, we had like 1-2 good corners and our depth was terrible, and the whole secondary got hurt.

Like here's the reality... you could do worse than Averett and Jimmy outside, with Tavon in the slot. That's not a great unit, but I'd say its maybe average to slightly below average league wide. Especially true if everybody is believing this notion that Averett is a great corner and can get paid like a #1 corner. He's going to get a shot to earn that.

We had four corners on our roster entering the season that could start for most teams in this league. We've lost two of them, and they were the best two.
People complaining about lack of depth are morons and know nothing about football. I even get the clowns on Twitter who are blasting us for trading Shaun Wade. The same Shaun Wade who's riding the pine in New England and was going to get beat out for a role by guys like Westry and others who are playing significant snaps come Sunday.

Not losing one bit of sleep over our lack of roster depth or talent at that position. It's just a rash of injuries and illnesses that can't be predicted or mitigated. Them the breaks.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Well.... just copy Belichick's gameplan from tonight. Run nearly 50 times and limit Lamar to just three passes. They can't hurt us on offense if we keep our offense out there for 60 minutes straight lol. If we somehow manage to not get burned by Landry and company in the passing game, I will be shocked. I know Baker is injured but Humphrey's injury and our depleted secondary is a perfect cure for the Browns offensive woes coming off their bye. I know we have 8 wins and I will never understand how but we lose this one and basically we are done for with the rest of the AFC Teams getting good at the right time.

I understand everybody is praising NE for what they did last night, and when factoring in the weather, it was solid.
They scored 14 points and scored on 6 out of 9 possessions. If you want to see the Ravens offense play that style, I'd say scoring 14 points and punting 6 times is about the best outcome you can hope for. New England is better at running the ball than us, and they're better at defense than we are. That's why that works.

We run the ball 50 times on Sunday, we lose by double digits.

 

[rossihunter2]

I see people comparing it to 2014. I don't agree at all. In 2014, we had like 1-2 good corners and our depth was terrible, and the whole secondary got hurt.

Like here's the reality... you could do worse than Averett and Jimmy outside, with Tavon in the slot. That's not a great unit, but I'd say its maybe average to slightly below average league wide. Especially true if everybody is believing this notion that Averett is a great corner and can get paid like a #1 corner. He's going to get a shot to earn that.

We had four corners on our roster entering the season that could start for most teams in this league. We've lost two of them, and they were the best two.
People complaining about lack of depth are morons and know nothing about football. I even get the clowns on Twitter who are blasting us for trading Shaun Wade. The same Shaun Wade who's riding the pine in New England and was going to get beat out for a role by guys like Westry and others who are playing significant snaps come Sunday.

Not losing one bit of sleep over our lack of roster depth or talent at that position. It's just a rash of injuries and illnesses that can't be predicted or mitigated. Them the breaks.

i dont think anyone's criticising the front office or anyone about it - just bemoaning the fact that yet another preseason roster strength has been decimated to the point that it's now likely an exploitable weakness

 

[rmcjacket23]

i dont think anyone's criticising the front office or anyone about it - just bemoaning the fact that yet another preseason roster strength has been decimated to the point that it's now likely an exploitable weakness

I use Twitter mostly to get NFL news. I will show you a litany of comments on just about any injury post from stupid fans who are bemoaning that we traded away Shaun Wade. It's comical.

And yes, its Twitter, so the default level of intelligence is right around "dumbass" level.

 

[rossihunter2]

I understand everybody is praising NE for what they did last night, and when factoring in the weather, it was solid.
They scored 14 points and scored on 6 out of 9 possessions. If you want to see the Ravens offense play that style, I'd say scoring 14 points and punting 6 times is about the best outcome you can hope for. New England is better at running the ball than us, and they're better at defense than we are. That's why that works.

We run the ball 50 times on Sunday, we lose by double digits.

and probably dont score a single point too - pats got their first td on 1 play where their RB hit the hole and ran away from the secondary - we've got no RB who can or will do that and teams have been making sure they've got cover for lamar so that even if he pops one for 15 or 20 he's not going to the house

 

[jboy19]

lol we literally had 8 CBs we liked and managed to keep 7 of them and the other was immediately claimed on waivers by the seahawks...

outrageous lol - the last guy on (washington) is on i/r and the guy who squeezed in ahead of him is now our starter

Thank God we were able to keep all 7. Needed every one.

 

[rossihunter2]

I use Twitter mostly to get NFL news. I will show you a litany of comments on just about any injury post from stupid fans who are bemoaning that we traded away Shaun Wade. It's comical.

And yes, its Twitter, so the default level of intelligence is right around "[profanity deleted]" level.

yeah but ive had those people blocked or muted since they said that shit when we traded him lol - he was the 9th (or lower) corner on the depth chart when we traded him... the fact we got anything for a guy we were clearly going to waive is ridiculous

the guy in hindsight that i wish we'd found a way to hold onto was nigel warrior but you cant keep anyone and no one would/could have foreseen this level of decimation

 

[jboy19]

I see people comparing it to 2014. I don't agree at all. In 2014, we had like 1-2 good corners and our depth was terrible, and the whole secondary got hurt.

Like here's the reality... you could do worse than Averett and Jimmy outside, with Tavon in the slot. That's not a great unit, but I'd say its maybe average to slightly below average league wide. Especially true if everybody is believing this notion that Averett is a great corner and can get paid like a #1 corner. He's going to get a shot to earn that.

We had four corners on our roster entering the season that could start for most teams in this league. We've lost two of them, and they were the best two.
People complaining about lack of depth are morons and know nothing about football. I even get the clowns on Twitter who are blasting us for trading Shaun Wade. The same Shaun Wade who's riding the pine in New England and was going to get beat out for a role by guys like Westry and others who are playing significant snaps come Sunday.

Not losing one bit of sleep over our lack of roster depth or talent at that position. It's just a rash of injuries and illnesses that can't be predicted or mitigated. Them the breaks.

I definitely have no complaints about it. They kept 7 quality corners and have needed all 7 of them. Averett, Young, Smith and Westry isn't the worst CB group in the league by any means. We're fortunate to have each of them imo. Keeping Wade just because he was a draft pick would have been a mistake. They liked Westry better and appear to have been correct in their assessments of both.

 

[D1City55]

I see people comparing it to 2014. I don't agree at all. In 2014, we had like 1-2 good corners and our depth was terrible, and the whole secondary got hurt.

Like here's the reality... you could do worse than Averett and Jimmy outside, with Tavon in the slot. That's not a great unit, but I'd say its maybe average to slightly below average league wide. Especially true if everybody is believing this notion that Averett is a great corner and can get paid like a #1 corner. He's going to get a shot to earn that.

We had four corners on our roster entering the season that could start for most teams in this league. We've lost two of them, and they were the best two.
People complaining about lack of depth are morons and know nothing about football. I even get the clowns on Twitter who are blasting us for trading Shaun Wade. The same Shaun Wade who's riding the pine in New England and was going to get beat out for a role by guys like Westry and others who are playing significant snaps come Sunday.

Not losing one bit of sleep over our lack of roster depth or talent at that position. It's just a rash of injuries and illnesses that can't be predicted or mitigated. Them the breaks.

2014 was complemented by the best pass rush in Football arguably. We had a legit four/five man front. I mean Sizzle/Doom as a duo where no joke and to go alongside Ngata/BWill who were devastating at pushing the pocket together, then you have Jernigan who was impressive his rookie year and McPhee who was pretty good in his own right, very versatile and could rush from anywhere. Not to mention a solid ILB duo in Mosley and Smith. It helped in the sense that it forced QBs to get the ball out quickly. There was a stretch in which, and I might be wrong but QBs were under pressure on 50% of throws. Pees was able to utilize a lot of 2 deep safeties and drop LBs back into coverage, this allowed us to play clean up with our LBs.

I don't see any of that this year. Campbell isn't the same player and you're not getting a consistent four or five-man pressure from this unit. QBs will have much more time to decide where they want to go with the Football and Martindale will find himself between a rock and a hard place. Either Blitz to force the ball out or wait for them to get picked apart. They were already having problems with Marlon and Elliott back there, now things will get worse. This unit already gave up 400 yards to both Burrow and Wentz.

I think this is easily a worse situation, I'd take the situation we had in 2014 by a mile. I wouldn't compare the CBs talent head to head because yes, you would take the current CBs, but the situation is worse and I think this unit will look worse given what's around the team.

 

[rossihunter2]

2014 was complemented by the best pass rush in Football arguably. We had a legit four/five man front. I mean Sizzle/Doom as a duo where no joke and to go alongside Ngata/BWill who were devastating at pushing the pocket together, then you have Jernigan who was impressive his rookie year and McPhee who was pretty good in his own right, very versatile and could rush from anywhere. Not to mention a solid ILB duo in Mosley and Smith. It helped in the sense that it forced QBs to get the ball out quickly. There was a stretch in which, and I might be wrong but QBs were under pressure on 50% of throws. Pees was able to utilize a lot of 2 deep safeties and drop LBs back into coverage, this allowed us to play clean up with our LBs.

I don't see any of that this year. Campbell isn't the same player and you're not getting a consistent four or five-man pressure from this unit. QBs will have much more time to decide where they want to go with the Football and Martindale will find himself between a rock and a hard place. Either Blitz to force the ball out or wait for them to get picked apart. They were already having problems with Marlon and Elliott back there, now things will get worse. This unit already gave up 400 yards to both Burrow and Wentz.

I think this is easily a worse situation, I'd take the situation we had in 2014 by a mile. I wouldn't compare the CBs talent head to head because yes, you would take the current CBs, but the situation is worse and I think this unit will look worse given what's around the team.

in 2014 we had an achilles heel weakness in our corner play offset somewhat by a league-best pass rushing unit that was also able to shut down the run - the strength of our defence was able to cover up some of those weaknesses

in 2021 our strength has been decimated and we don't have another high-level element on defence to take up the slack created by those injuries because the unit best able to do that is the one that's been hit hardest

 

[QuothTheRaven]

We probably need 2 more wins to make the playoffs and imo that will be 2 from the Browns, Bengals or Steelers games. Looking for a win here.

 

[rmcjacket23]

2014 was complemented by the best pass rush in Football arguably. We had a legit four/five man front. I mean Sizzle/Doom as a duo where no joke and to go alongside Ngata/BWill who were devastating at pushing the pocket together, then you have Jernigan who was impressive his rookie year and McPhee who was pretty good in his own right, very versatile and could rush from anywhere. Not to mention a solid ILB duo in Mosley and Smith. It helped in the sense that it forced QBs to get the ball out quickly. There was a stretch in which, and I might be wrong but QBs were under pressure on 50% of throws. Pees was able to utilize a lot of 2 deep safeties and drop LBs back into coverage, this allowed us to play clean up with our LBs.

I don't see any of that this year. Campbell isn't the same player and you're not getting a consistent four or five-man pressure from this unit. QBs will have much more time to decide where they want to go with the Football and Martindale will find himself between a rock and a hard place. Either Blitz to force the ball out or wait for them to get picked apart. They were already having problems with Marlon and Elliott back there, now things will get worse. This unit already gave up 400 yards to both Burrow and Wentz.

I think this is easily a worse situation, I'd take the situation we had in 2014 by a mile. I wouldn't compare the CBs talent head to head because yes, you would take the current CBs, but the situation is worse and I think this unit will look worse given what's around the team.

I was mostly referencing the secondary as a unit itself, which is in a much better spot than it was in 2014. The total defense itself may be worse off, but that's still yet to be decided. I loved the pass rush we had back then, but I also felt like a lot of teams weren't built to exploit it (except the Patriots, which did), by running short drops and getting the ball out quick, thus largely eliminating the edge rush.

That being said, this team is still very good on 3rd down and in the red zone, which is where I think the point of emphasis should be. Might need to play a lot more Cover 1, Cover 2, and zone, in order to eliminate the big play and just clamp down in the red zone. This team doesn't have to start giving up tons of points if it plays well situationally. The biggest fear I have is that Wink is just going to keep bringing blitzes and leaving less skillful Corners in man situations, where they'll give up big plays.