The Grit, The "C" Team and The Endless Bloody Injuries

[rossihunter2]

Haven't analyzed every play from yesterday but I can say that in the past there have been a multitude of plays where short quick routes were there but the choice was made to try to force the ball down field. Lamar needs to learn to take what the D is giving him. Every play doesn't need to be a home run.

the plays are different though - im talking about the literal structure of the play

im not saying lamar hasnt turned down some short stuff to be more aggressive - but the short stuff we had yesterday was completely different in its design to what we've used with lamar really at all

 

[RavensMania]

I disagree, having the ball for 9 minutes, walking around the field, 3 points was the lowest prize, but we all know that the best possibility to beat Rodgers is to score every moment, to keep him off the court.
At a mental / emotional level, it is not the same that they slow you down at 4 to that you convert 3 points.
In my view, this is more of an error than going for the 2 points.
and I would have kicked fg and played it at OT ..

If you haven't read it yet, I'd go back and read @rmcjacket23 post 156, which I'm fully in agreement with. Of course it's just an opinion, but an opinion fully aligned in analytics. Whether you believe in analytics, well that's another conversation altogether.

I also believe we would have been better off going for 2 when we were down 31-23, leaving the final touchdown to just a PAT. I can understand your viewpoint of going for 3. There really is no wrong answer here. I definitely was hesitant not to take the FG after that long drive, but ultimately was for going for the TD, knowing the Packers would easily march down the field against our PS players all day long. Of course I didn't expect the game to be this close either.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Correct, in my opinion, it's an irrelevant decision.
However, in my scenario, all I said was they'd get in FG range, not make the kick.

What's the outcome of the game if they miss the kick? If we're up 1, we win. If we're tied, we still need about 2-3 different things to happen for us even to win, including, most likely, literally winning a coin flip.

Yet another reason why going for it makes tons of sense.

I will go to my grave never understanding why people think kicking the PAT gives us a better chance to win than converting two freaking yards. I don't even understand the people who think kicking the PAT even gets us to OT. That doesn't make sense to me either.

TWO YARDS

and to make it even more ridiculous is the amount of people that say “you have Justin tucker why wouldn’t you kick??” As if that has anything to with the decision

 

[rossihunter2]

TWO YARDS

and to make it even more ridiculous is the amount of people that say “you have Justin tucker why wouldn’t you kick??” As if that has anything to with the decision

lol - if we could get 2 points by kicking then obviously we'd kick it lol

 

[Argentina Raven]

They speak as if they had 2 different offensive playbooks, one for Lamar and one for Huntley.
Same Oc, same line, same receivers, same rb, at most different game plan depending on the rival.
Too many excuses to say what you see: Huntley in these games is making better decisions than Lamar in the last month.
and here I don't want to overlook Bateman's statement "we are not a single player team."
for something he said

 

[rmcjacket23]

I disagree, having the ball for 9 minutes, walking around the field, 3 points was the lowest prize, but we all know that the best possibility to beat Rodgers is to score every moment, to keep him off the court.
At a mental / emotional level, it is not the same that they slow you down at 4 to that you convert 3 points.
In my view, this is more of an error than going for the 2 points.
and I would have kicked fg and played it at OT ..

I mean I would have kicked the FG also.
However, its not intelligent to suggest that not choosing the FG was the difference in the game, because there's no way to prove that. Every single play after that decision changes. Assuming Tucker makes the kick, its highly unlikely the Packers start from their own 5 yard line on the next drive. Most likely, the 20-25 yard line, or better. Different plays are called from your own 5 compared to the 25. Changes the complex of the whole game.

So if you hear anybody saying "well if you kick the FG on the opening drive, you win the game", they're full of shit, and don't know what they're talking about.

 

[rmcjacket23]

They speak as if they had 2 different offensive playbooks, one for Lamar and one for Huntley.
Same Oc, same line, same receivers, same rb, at most different game plan depending on the rival.
Too many excuses to say what you see: Huntley in these games is making better decisions than Lamar in the last month.
and here I don't want to overlook Bateman's statement "we are not a single player team."
for something he said

Teams also don't really have enough film to gameplan for Huntley. They clearly don't respect him as a runner as much as Lamar, which is obvious from the coverage schemes and the way they rush him.
I think Lamar is back next week, so maybe a moot point, but the more film teams get on Huntley, the more I assume they will basically just take away the short throws and force him to throw deep, which is kind of the opposite of how they play Lamar.

Huntley seems to do a better job, in my opinion, of taking what the defense gives him. But I also think what the defense gives him will likely change the more game film they get on him.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

I’m not going to defend fans asking for Huntley to start or the fans thinking we’re about to get a first in return for a trade. Neither is happening. However, There are clearly some folks who would rather Huntley/ the team fail so they can have that ammo to shoot down a few rogue Raven “ there’s a Qb controversy” fans. It gets old , i lump those sad sacks into the same group of fans that want to tank for draft picks. Most teams that lose their starting Qb are done, we’ve been very competitive and it’s awesome.

I’m not saying Huntley is beyond criticism. Let’s just be fair and remember he is a UDF, making his second start, behind a make shift O line. What more can you really ask of the kid? He played really well yesterday. Again I get it, some folks are upset people are shitting on Lamar and saying crazy things. Who cares , Lamar isn’t going anywhere.


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But that's the thing- no one wants the Ravens or Huntley to fail (well, no fan on here from what I've seen.) And I think most people are very happy that he helped to keep two games competitive.

However, where people like myself are frustrated is seeing this sub lose their minds over Huntley and suggest he's gonna fetch a first or should start over Lamar. People are pushing back against THAT.

No one wants to see Huntley fail because it means the Ravens are likely failing and everyone here should want the Ravens to do well.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

They speak as if they had 2 different offensive playbooks, one for Lamar and one for Huntley.
Same Oc, same line, same receivers, same rb, at most different game plan depending on the rival.
Too many excuses to say what you see: Huntley in these games is making better decisions than Lamar in the last month.
and here I don't want to overlook Bateman's statement "we are not a single player team."
for something he said

So the Ravens ran the same exact offense from Joe to Lamar in 2018, right?

 

[Argentina Raven]

I am not talking about the fact that with those 3 points we would have won the game.
I say that with our current situation of constant blows, injuries, referee failures, execution errors and others, every point counts.
I add whenever I can and then I see how I solve the next step.
to win you need to make points and not get them, make plays.
well, they make us a lot of points and we are not doing them
Steelers, Browns and now Packers.
This is not the time to be brave, they are the first to fall.
even yesterday, wink sent a blitz with young and averett at the same time, against Rodgers ...
I don't remember how the play ended but without being a specialist 99% of the time, Rodgers will burn us out.
let's avoid that ...

 

[Simba]

In regards to the Huntley stuff...

Yes, he played well yesterday. He did exactly what we needed. He took what the defense gave him and got the ball out quick. Was there anything especially dynamic about what he did? No, but that's okay. What he gave us yesterday is exactly what you want to see out of a backup in a scenario where a starter has to miss a few weeks and you want to remain competitive.

With that being said, you can't look at the stats and overreact. Yes, he accounted for 4 touchdowns. Yes, he did well to limit mistakes. But the tape and the stat book are going to tell a different story. As others have mentioned, it was a very simplified offense designed to get the ball out quick. He didn't/couldn't push the ball downfield due to his own limitations as a passer.

So in the grand scheme of things, he played well. But he didn't play well enough to say he's some future impact starter. No team is going to cut on that tape and give up a premium for what he did yesterday. He still doesn't have the arm strength to push the ball downfield or outside the numbers with any consistency. He still panics when his first read is gone. He's not out there reading defenses. There's still room for him to get better but he's limited on some of those physical aspects. And that's okay. He's a backup.

Has he played better than Lamar has in recent weeks? To an extent you could argue yes. Is he better or even comparable to Lamar? No and it's not even a debate. Proud of the kid for fighting and playing well but this is Lamar's team and Huntley should be no more than a backup and a spot starter in his career.

 

[Argentina Raven]

So the Ravens ran the same exact offense from Joe to Lamar in 2018, right?

And what is similar to the current situation?
oh yeah, Lamar wants to do the same running tricks.
come on man flacco and huntley are water and oil.
Huntley and Lamar are the same mold, Lamar is a V8 and Huntley is a V6

 

[SaltyDog]

I think it is the same offense, just different reads from different QBs. Definitely something Lamar needs to improve upon, can't go for the home run ball every play, have to take what the D is giving you even if it does pick up only 5 or 6 yards.

I agree, and I think Huntley is being coached to take what the D gives you, throw it away, or run. Where Lamar has much more liberty to go for the home run ball, or try to make big plays.

 

[RavensMania]

And what is similar to the current situation?
oh yeah, Lamar wants to do the same running tricks.
come on man flacco and huntley are water and oil.
Huntley and Lamar are the same mold, Lamar is a V8 and Huntley is a V6

and that Huntley V6 has much less torque, with his arm and legs.

 

[QuothTheRaven]

I am not talking about the fact that with those 3 points we would have won the game.
I say that with our current situation of constant blows, injuries, referee failures, execution errors and others, every point counts.
I add whenever I can and then I see how I solve the next step.
to win you need to make points and not get them, make plays.
well, they make us a lot of points and we are not doing them
Steelers, Browns and now Packers.
This is not the time to be brave, they are the first to fall.
even yesterday, wink sent a blitz with young and averett at the same time, against Rodgers ...
I don't remember how the play ended but without being a specialist 99% of the time, Rodgers will burn us out.
let's avoid that ...

and that Huntley V6 has much less torque, with his arm and legs.

But someone's dropped a wrench in the V8 and we need to get it out of there.

 

[JAAM]

Any thoughts on why Huntley can snap the ball with a generous amount of time on the clock whereas Lamar winds it down to damn near zero almost every play?

 

[29BmoreBird22]

And what is similar to the current situation?
oh yeah, Lamar wants to do the same running tricks.
come on man flacco and huntley are water and oil.
Huntley and Lamar are the same mold, Lamar is a V8 and Huntley is a V6

So that's a no, then?

 

[BoredMarine13]

Has he played better than Lamar has in recent weeks? To an extent you could argue yes. Is he better or even comparable to Lamar? No and it's not even a debate. Proud of the kid for fighting and playing well but this is Lamar's team and Huntley should be no more than a backup and a spot starter in his career.

It’s not an argument, Tyler has played better than Lamar has in recent weeks. People look at that as an indictment on Lamar and it’s not at all. Huntley just has the hot hand , but his level of success is not sustainable. Lamar’s body of work speaks for itself. Like you said , people shouldn’t overreact to Huntley playing well, just as they shouldn’t be overreacting to a shit stretch for Lamar.


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[rmcjacket23]

Any thoughts on why Huntley can snap the ball with a generous amount of time on the clock whereas Lamar winds it down to damn near zero almost every play?

My guess is Huntley is being asked to do a lot less in terms of pre-snap reads, and may or may not really even have the ability to audible.

 

[BoredMarine13]

Any thoughts on why Huntley can snap the ball with a generous amount of time on the clock whereas Lamar winds it down to damn near zero almost every play?

I’m guessing simplified play call. Who knows , but if it works for Tyler maybe we should have Lamar do the same.


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