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The 2022 Offseason Thread

JoeyFlex5 said:
Marlons role needs to be re worked in macdonalds defense, i wanna see him being used similar to daxton hill, we would need to add a corner to pull it off but man I think marlo would absolutely crush that role, and I think it would be the way to allow your best defender to have the most possible influence on the game, he’s an extremely versatile defender and I hate seeing us use him exclusively in man coverage on the boundary
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we paying him 18 milly a year. Marlo better lock down the offense’s best WR and stop tweeting flowers for them.

just draft Dax hill to go along with that and we Gucci :)
 
Deebo Samuel wouldn't be playing to the level he has if he had started in Baltimore-Kyle Shanahan knew how to develop and use him. They knew how to design plays maximizing his talent and abilities. That would never have happened here. Raven's coaching and play scheme wouldn't lend itself to that. He's better off where he is.
 
Michael M. said:
Deebo Samuel wouldn't be playing to the level he has if he had started in Baltimore-Kyle Shanahan knew how to develop and use him. They knew how to design plays maximizing his talent and abilities. That would never have happened here. Raven's coaching and play scheme wouldn't lend itself to that. He's better off where he is.
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the great thing about deebo though - is that he's also great as a conventional WR so he'd still likely be great wherever he was - it's just that Shanahan has employed him in multiple dimensions that get even more impact out of him
 
rossihunter2 said:
the great thing about deebo though - is that he's also great as a conventional WR so he'd still likely be great wherever he was - it's just that Shanahan has employed him in multiple dimensions that get even more impact out of him
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I love Deebo. He's one of the best offensive weapons in the game. And Shanahan knows how to bring out the best in him. I think the Ravens draft talented players for the most part, but use them too conservatively for whatever reason when they get them. They get corvettes, and then insist on driving them 50 mph in the slow lane....frustrating
 
Nice little clip about MacDonald from some college PFF guys.

These guys seem cooler than those regular NFL PFF fools.

 
Davesta said:
we paying him 18 milly a year. Marlo better lock down the offense’s best WR and stop tweeting flowers for them.

just draft Dax hill to go along with that and we Gucci :)
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There really aren't any Corners in the league that can lock down an offenses best WR. Even at $50M a year that's not a reasonable expectation.

Jalen Ramsey doesn't even travel that much anymore. He's not chasing a team's #1 WR all over the field. If he did, he'd be getting beat time and time again.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
There really aren't any Corners in the league that can lock down an offenses best WR. Even at $50M a year that's not a reasonable expectation.

Jalen Ramsey doesn't even travel that much anymore. He's not chasing a team's #1 WR all over the field. If he did, he'd be getting beat time and time again.
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in fact rams realised that they get more value and more impact plays from not having him chase a WR and basically put him in position to play closer to the LoS on one side of the field and give him free reign to attack stuff downhill - obviously he's going to end up in man on certain guys a lot but he also got to play more shallow zone, more nickel reps in zone more overhang reps etc. and they liked that it meant they could have him in position to come downhill and be involved in the game instead of having him just go 1v1 all game with the opposing best WR because while that could potentially take an opposing WR out of the game (unlikely that he can erase someone the whole game anymore) it also takes him out of the game too
 
rossihunter2 said:
in fact rams realised that they get more value and more impact plays from not having him chase a WR and basically put him in position to play closer to the LoS on one side of the field and give him free reign to attack stuff downhill - obviously he's going to end up in man on certain guys a lot but he also got to play more shallow zone, more nickel reps in zone more overhang reps etc. and they liked that it meant they could have him in position to come downhill and be involved in the game instead of having him just go 1v1 all game with the opposing best WR because while that could potentially take an opposing WR out of the game (unlikely that he can erase someone the whole game anymore) it also takes him out of the game too
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The rams did exactly what I felt should’ve been done with Ramsey all along, and that’s exactly what I want from Humphrey
 
rossihunter2 said:
in fact rams realised that they get more value and more impact plays from not having him chase a WR and basically put him in position to play closer to the LoS on one side of the field and give him free reign to attack stuff downhill - obviously he's going to end up in man on certain guys a lot but he also got to play more shallow zone, more nickel reps in zone more overhang reps etc. and they liked that it meant they could have him in position to come downhill and be involved in the game instead of having him just go 1v1 all game with the opposing best WR because while that could potentially take an opposing WR out of the game (unlikely that he can erase someone the whole game anymore) it also takes him out of the game too
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Ive always loved bb approach. Putting his best cb on #2 or even 3 and just playing the #1 with help.. basically limiting the #1, taking #2 completely out the game and forcing everyone else to beat you and tbh its really that simple. Mf used to have trash cbs with limited skillset following #1s with S help and it would work
 
D1City55 said:
Nahhhh lol like others said Deebo is elite at either positions. He can play both at a very high level and he has a combination of traits just not seen in many players that ever played the game.
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Love him but gets like 99% outside runs.. great vision and everything but i wouldnt call him an elite rb.. elite runner though!!
 
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was expected that weaver would get some interest elsewhere - remains to be seen whether he gets a DC job or not

but we've got at least one vacancy to fill so far
 
rossihunter2 said:




was expected that weaver would get some interest elsewhere - remains to be seen whether he gets a DC job or not

but we've got at least one vacancy to fill so far
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I think this is good too. He never really helped with our receivers and Andrews and Boyle were doing there thing before he moved to TEs. Allows us to bring in more ideas from outside the building!
 
UPennChem said:
I think this is good too. He never really helped with our receivers and Andrews and Boyle were doing there thing before he moved to TEs. Allows us to bring in more ideas from outside the building!
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Engram's been cool and i think we gave him too much shit as the WR coach because we didnt get good WR play - but as we've found out... our WRs just sucked lol - while he was here we didnt really know that perriman just flat out sucked so he took some blame for it - but he's also the guy who helped develop kamar aiken to become a nearly 1000 yard receiver - he was also here while Steve Smith was balling out

and idk that we can say that andrews was doing his thing before engram - like yeah he looked decent as a rookie but he's gone from a good-looking rookie to 1st team all-pro with engram - obviously a lot of this stuff is down to the players themselves but if we're going to criticise him for not developing guys who've not done anything else anywhere else (and just for the record here's all the receivers we drafted while he was WR coach - Perriman, Lasley, Scott, Moore, Campanaro...) then we should similarly give him credit for the guys who did well under his tenure like Andrews and who squeezed the most out of also-rans and veteran WRs

including this tweet for the comment not the article:


but as you say change is always exciting and especially when it's adding new voices to the building and not just internal hires
 
UPennChem said:
I think this is good too. He never really helped with our receivers and Andrews and Boyle were doing there thing before he moved to TEs. Allows us to bring in more ideas from outside the building!
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Honestly Bobby Engram did a great job with developing Mark Andrews and even Nick Boyle seem to have become a better receiver under his coaching. I don't look at this as a good move honestly especially since how great Andrews played last year. It's probably not unrealistic to say that Engram became one of the better tight end coaches in the league. Sucks to seem him leave because I thought maybe he was one of the coaches that was look upon as the next in line as offensive coordinator if Greg Roman moved on to another team as head coach or just let go.

I'm sure The Ravens will find someone to replace him but this shouldn't be look upon as some win for The Ravens because Engram definitely was a good coach or maybe even better than that.
 
rossihunter2 said:
Engram's been cool and i think we gave him too much shit as the WR coach because we didnt get good WR play - but as we've found out... our WRs just sucked lol - while he was here we didnt really know that perriman just flat out sucked so he took some blame for it - but he's also the guy who helped develop kamar aiken to become a nearly 1000 yard receiver - he was also here while Steve Smith was balling out

and idk that we can say that andrews was doing his thing before engram - like yeah he looked decent as a rookie but he's gone from a good-looking rookie to 1st team all-pro with engram - obviously a lot of this stuff is down to the players themselves but if we're going to criticise him for not developing guys who've not done anything else anywhere else (and just for the record here's all the receivers we drafted while he was WR coach - Perriman, Lasley, Scott, Moore, Campanaro...) then we should similarly give him credit for the guys who did well under his tenure like Andrews and who squeezed the most out of also-rans and veteran WRs

including this tweet for the comment not the article:


but as you say change is always exciting and especially when it's adding new voices to the building and not just internal hires
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I hear you. I guess at bare minimum I'm not seeing this is as any sort of devastating loss, but obviously we liked him as a coach.
 
UPennChem said:
I think this is good too. He never really helped with our receivers and Andrews and Boyle were doing there thing before he moved to TEs. Allows us to bring in more ideas from outside the building!
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tbf, we had probably our best / deepest WR group ever this past year and we still barely did anything with them. So maybe a position coach can only do so much vs the team’s philosophy and scheme
 
Davesta said:
tbf, we had probably our best / deepest WR group ever this past year and we still barely did anything with them. So maybe a position coach can only do so much vs the team’s philosophy and scheme
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I try to tell people you either got it or you dnt. I feel like the best coaches are suppose to get the best out of players and use what they already have to their advantage.. people expect position coaches to turn all wrs into a devante adams or mark andrews when in reality those guys already had it, all the position coach did was help him improve it.. you can create a coach and that mf still wouldnt be able to turn a guy like boykin or perriman into great rte runners, why? Cause they dnt have it
 
Deebo813 said:
I try to tell people you either got it or you dnt. I feel like the best coaches are suppose to get the best out of players and use what they already have to their advantage.. people expect position coaches to turn all wrs into a devante adams or mark andrews when in reality those guys already had it, all the position coach did was help him improve it.. you can create a coach and that mf still wouldnt be able to turn a guy like boykin or perriman into great rte runners, why? Cause they dnt have it
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tbf davante adams is probably not a great example - our very own coach dubb helped him go from a good-not-great receiver coming off some poor form to maybe the best in the league and certainly the best at the release
 
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