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The Offensive Line Thread

Those PFF scores are definitely skewed by the sample size, just like running out the clock skews ypc. Overall Im happy with how the line held up but my take is we overachieved, Hurst and Howard are going to shit the bed at some point.
 
Those PFF scores are definitely skewed by the sample size, just like running out the clock skews ypc. Overall Im happy with how the line held up but my take is we overachieved, Hurst and Howard are going to shit the bed at some point.
They already shit the bed. Each of them allowed a sack. Howard's was particularly atrocious
 
They already shit the bed. Each of them allowed a sack. Howard's was particularly atrocious
If you think that's shitting the bed then I've got some bad news for you lol

I think we held up fine against one of the better DLs in the league but I think Howard will be tested mightily by DEs who are faster than Dunlap. At 280, Dunlap is a power end and isn't that fast, yet he still ran circles around Howard. I can easily see a Khalil Mack or Von Miller getting a hat trick against Howard, even with help. He just isn't mobile enough. Similarly, I can see Hurst getting beat bad by better interior guys. He's not that bulky and strong.

When we play the Vikings in a couple weeks, that'll be a brutal test for Jensen, Hurst, and Howard. That front four is fast, fast, fast and they've got a pair of good DTs. I'm not sure how we're going to hold up against Everson Griffin, Danielle Hunter, and Linval Joseph, who last year combined for 24 sacks. In his second year, Hunter had 12.5. He's only going to get better, and he might get half of his season's sacks against Howard, who I just don't think is fast enough to deal with Hunter or Griffin. Anthony Barr is also in the mix there if he actually turns into a pass rusher this year.
 
They already shit the bed. Each of them allowed a sack. Howard's was particularly atrocious
For what it's worth, we only allowed 1 sack on the afternoon, which came partly due to a pressure by Carl Lawson against Ronnie Stanley with Geno Atkins beating James Hurst for the sack. Interestingly enough, the former aspect was influenced by Nick Boyle. Stanley seemingly takes an angle set, Boyle chips prior to Stanley's contact but pushes Lawson inside by his outside shoulder, which almost helps propel Lawson towards the angle where the pressure came from. Howard was credited with a pressure and a QB hit, which I was able to confirm. The pressure occurred due to Howard oversetting, allowing a lane inside, and the QB hit came when he attempting to jump set Dunlap with his hands too low. He held up mostly well in pass protection on the other plays. He finished behind Jensen and Yanda in disruptions allowed but in front of Stanley and Hurst.
 
For what it's worth, we only allowed 1 sack on the afternoon, which came partly due to a pressure by Carl Lawson against Ronnie Stanley with Geno Atkins beating James Hurst for the sack. Interestingly enough, the former aspect was influenced by Nick Boyle. Stanley seemingly takes an angle set, Boyle chips prior to Stanley's contact but pushes Lawson inside by his outside shoulder, which almost helps propel Lawson towards the angle where the pressure came from. Howard was credited with a pressure and a QB hit, which I was able to confirm. The pressure occurred due to Howard oversetting, allowing a lane inside, and the QB hit came when he attempting to jump set Dunlap with his hands too low. He held up mostly well in pass protection on the other plays. He finished behind Jensen and Yanda in disruptions allowed but in front of Stanley and Hurst.
yeah I forgot the Howard hit wasn't a sack, but it was a terrible terrible snap on his part, I mean god awful and almost got flacco killed. But someone else got beat from the left side as well
 
Not quite sure how this is possible considering how many units have badly struggled this week.
They were per snap numbers, and since we only had 22, they're skewed as each pressure, QB hit or sack was weighed significantly more when divided by a lower number. To be taken with a grain of salt.
 
yeah I forgot the Howard hit wasn't a sack, but it was a terrible terrible snap on his part, I mean god awful and almost got flacco killed. But someone else got beat from the left side as well
Agreed, it was arguably his worst snap of the day and it allowed a fairly clean hit on 3rd and 7.
 
For what it's worth, we only allowed 1 sack on the afternoon, which came partly due to a pressure by Carl Lawson against Ronnie Stanley with Geno Atkins beating James Hurst for the sack. Interestingly enough, the former aspect was influenced by Nick Boyle. Stanley seemingly takes an angle set, Boyle chips prior to Stanley's contact but pushes Lawson inside by his outside shoulder, which almost helps propel Lawson towards the angle where the pressure came from. Howard was credited with a pressure and a QB hit, which I was able to confirm. The pressure occurred due to Howard oversetting, allowing a lane inside, and the QB hit came when he attempting to jump set Dunlap with his hands too low. He held up mostly well in pass protection on the other plays. He finished behind Jensen and Yanda in disruptions allowed but in front of Stanley and Hurst.
Did Hurst play so bad? I thought I didn't hear his name except on the Atkins sack.
 
Did Hurst play so bad? I thought I didn't hear his name except on the Atkins sack.
Excellent question. I begun delving into the tape last night. I'm still in the process of reviewing it but I'll make sure to comb over his performance and give you my opinion of how he fared. I spent the better portion of the evening experimenting with the concept of creating a personal breakdown of every play that I mentioned in the other thread. I'm glad to hear that it would be of interest to you, and with that in mind, allow me to provide the first draft of the breakdown along with the nomenclature (Link1, Link2). It would be (overly) saturated with information and would take some time to read, not to mention create, so I'm still gauging how feasible it would be, but at the very least, it can be done for the key drives.
 
It's great you want to share to everyone your paid subscription to PFF. That is a very admirable thing for you to do since it was money out of your own pocket. I for one would like to add to that and tell you what a literal joke they really are and their only sole purpose is to sell subscriptions. They are biased amongst teams and players (as you can see with the Ravens grades you posted). I noticed they gave Howard the best grade on the ol this past weekend. That in itself is enough to back up my statement since his performance this weekend was deplorable at the least. Make your own opinion of how the OL plays and not rely on a bunch of knuckleheads like PFF. It was a kick in the gut to Ravens fans who are still excited about our win this weekend and the future of this season to have PFF as a reason to change that!
Appreciate the complement on the former, and the intent was simply to provide another source to those without it. That being said, as you've mentioned, their sole purpose is to sell subscriptions of attempts at accurate breakdowns. How do they amass sales if those attempts are both willfully misleading and obvious? They essentially became a privatized source as they moved from amassing the majority of their revenue from public customers to working more closely with the league and directly with well over half of the team, the quoted figured last year being at least 19 teams. How does this occur if they are blatantly biased? There's a significant lapse in logic there with regards to the working business model. Now are their opinions subjective and therefore open to being inaccurate? Of course they are. Most opinions can be classified as subjective and theirs should be held to the same standard. But as far as the missteps being intentional, it's a doubtful and groundless concept. Howard was a distant second to Yanda grades wise in the straight-forward chart. Unsure of how that was missed and misstated. In any case, it's a puzzling move have an outcry regarding bias considering that your only post about Howard otherwise was a bashing ridiculing his weight; so the notion that it was entirely unreasonable for Howard to be graded well in run blocking but poorly in pass protection could prove bias, yes. Although not the way it was implied. What areas and plays specifically did you find deplorable? That's by no means a rhetorical question, and I'm still amidst the review, meaning my opinion hasn't been set in stone, so I can help reference your findings about the inconsistencies. However, I will say that the tidbit about making my own opinion is rather interesting. It's captivating considering that I've run congruent breakdowns of tape for years, posting my findings and opinions along with personal cut-ups of the All-22 angles to illustrate the points. Such posts have been littered across both the PurpleFlock and the BaltimoreRavens forums. The only article I've posted on this site delved not only into the individual plays, but also in the reasons behind the results. I even offered to create an in-depth breakdown of every play of our games moving forward. Are you quite certain that I'm the member to criticize for not doing his own homework?
 
Excellent question. I begun delving into the tape last night. I'm still in the process of reviewing it but I'll make sure to comb over his performance and give you my opinion of how he fared. I spent the better portion of the evening experimenting with the concept of creating a personal breakdown of every play that I mentioned in the other thread. I'm glad to hear that it would be of interest to you, and with that in mind, allow me to provide the first draft of the breakdown along with the nomenclature (Link1, Link2). It would be (overly) saturated with information and would take some time to read, not to mention create, so I'm still gauging how feasible it would be, but at the very least, it can be done for the key drives.
Just read it. Awesome job man, great work recognizing the formation and play design! Very educative as to what kind of play and formations we run, and who had the most impact... I agree it's a bit dense but you're doing a heck of a job, I'd really enjoy being able to read that every week. Must take a lot of time though, hope you can keep up.
 
Just read it. Awesome job man, great work recognizing the formation and play design! Very educative as to what kind of play and formations we run, and who had the most impact... I agree it's a bit dense but you're doing a heck of a job, I'd really enjoy being able to read that every week. Must take a lot of time though, hope you can keep up.
Thank you kindly! I have asterisks added in the notes for the biggest individual impacts on the play. Speaking of which, arguably the most interesting pick up of the only full drive featured in the link was that Brandon Williams had several highly impressive pressures. The one on the fourth play was eye opening. Granted that it was against a shaky unit and a center whom he's brutalized in the past, but it was very much encouraging. Honestly, the only difficult aspect is being able to tell the intended coverage designs on the opposing running plays. I may omit them as they essentially are irrelevant due to the fact that they're abandoned because of the run. The rest is more straight forward than not. Thanks again. Definitely helps to know that these could be of us to at least one member, hopefully more. I'll work on the breakdown so more this week and see how feasible it is.
 
Thank you kindly! I have asterisks added in the notes for the biggest individual impacts on the play. Speaking of which, arguably the most interesting pick up of the only full drive featured in the link was that Brandon Williams had several highly impressive pressures. The one on the fourth play was eye opening. Granted that it was against a shaky unit and a center whom he's brutalized in the past, but it was very much encouraging. Honestly, the only difficult aspect is being able to tell the intended coverage designs on the opposing running plays. I may omit them as they essentially are irrelevant due to the fact that they're abandoned because of the run. The rest is more straight forward than not. Thanks again. Definitely helps to know that these could be of us to at least one member, hopefully more. I'll work on the breakdown so more this week and see how feasible it is.
I noticed BWill was credited with a good amount of pressure, I remember he also had a pressure bursting through a gap on the dumpoff that Mixon turned into a decent gain. God imagine how smart Ozzie looks like if Brandon turns into a decent pass rusher.
 
Just read it. Awesome job man, great work recognizing the formation and play design! Very educative as to what kind of play and formations we run, and who had the most impact... I agree it's a bit dense but you're doing a heck of a job, I'd really enjoy being able to read that every week. Must take a lot of time though, hope you can keep up.
Agree @Truth does a tremendous amount of work formulating his own opinion first, before resorting to PFF for backup. Many people come to a conclusion because they may have seen it one way on tape, but don't go back and actually do the research to support their views. He formulates his own opinion by using the all-22 film because of all the angles it provides. I agree with you and would like to see this done every week.

Anyone that says @Truth doesn't formulate his own opinions from his own research makes themselves look like...........You know, I'm not even going to say it.
 
Appreciate the complement on the former, and the intent was simply to provide another source to those without it. That being said, as you've mentioned, their sole purpose is to sell subscriptions of attempts at accurate breakdowns. How do they amass sales if those attempts are both willfully misleading and obvious? They essentially became a privatized source as they moved from amassing the majority of their revenue from public customers to working more closely with the league and directly with well over half of the team, the quoted figured last year being at least 19 teams. How does this occur if they are blatantly biased? There's a significant lapse in logic there with regards to the working business model. Now are their opinions subjective and therefore open to being inaccurate? Of course they are. Most opinions can be classified as subjective and theirs should be held to the same standard. But as far as the missteps being intentional, it's a doubtful and groundless concept. Howard was a distant second to Yanda grades wise in the straight-forward chart. Unsure of how that was missed and misstated. In any case, it's a puzzling move have an outcry regarding bias considering that your only post about Howard otherwise was a bashing ridiculing his weight; so the notion that it was entirely unreasonable for Howard to be graded well in run blocking but poorly in pass protection could prove bias, yes. Although not the way it was implied. What areas and plays specifically did you find deplorable? That's by no means a rhetorical question, and I'm still amidst the review, meaning my opinion hasn't been set in stone, so I can help reference your findings about the inconsistencies. However, I will say that the tidbit about making my own opinion is rather interesting. It's captivating considering that I've run congruent breakdowns of tape for years, posting my findings and opinions along with personal cut-ups of the All-22 angles to illustrate the points. Such posts have been littered across both the PurpleFlock and the BaltimoreRavens forums. The only article I've posted on this site delved not only into the individual plays, but also in the reasons behind the results. I even offered to create an in-depth breakdown of every play of our games moving forward. Are you quite certain that I'm the member to criticize for not doing his own homework?
Thats just your opinion. Duely noted.
 
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They already shit the bed. Each of them allowed a sack. Howard's was particularly atrocious
Don't forget ole "Flatfoot" stood back there like he was holding a sack of groceries. He was as much to blame as anybody. Even the tv commentator was bright enough to note that......
 
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