The Offensive Line Thread

[RavensMania]

id prefer jensen as im not sure we can keep both

Oh, without a doubt and that is quite possible that we can’t afford them both.

 

[Filmstudy]

@Filmstudy I do still believe Joe has had a ton of time to throw in the pocket the last few games (probably not @Vik), it seems to me his failure to step up when the outside rushers crash from a 6 or outside tech is the biggest problem on plays not to the flats.

He had ATS on 30 of 54 drop backs versus the Titans (56%). Much of that was by design as the Titans did not rush often with numbers (including 12 3-man rushes). Based on historical numbers, I'd expect him to be in the mid-high 6's per pass with that sort of time, but he averaged only 4.7.

Here is my OL article from last week with that information:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2017/11/10/filmstudy/offensive-line-notes-vs-titans/

 

[allblackraven]

You had me on the first part. He's made 28 of his last 34 pulls, but the issue is he's been a consistently awful tackle.

When he heads to free agency, his agent should be emphasizing that fact and claim James was out of position at tackle. As just a guard he can probably get a nice 2-3 year deal, but his 2018 team, whether the Ravens or another, shouldn't depend on him to play any tackle.

If we can keep him at LG and move Lewis to RT, it would be ideal.

 

[RavensMania]

If we can keep him at LG and move Lewis to RT, it would be ideal.

If we kept him I’d want him as a backup. Not a starter.

 

[rossihunter2]

If we kept him I’d want him as a backup. Not a starter.

exactly - as well as hurst has done in a pinch, if he's the incumbent starter by the beginning of next training camp then ozzie has done something seriously wrong during the offseason

 

[allblackraven]

If we kept him I’d want him as a backup. Not a starter.

Who'd you start? High 1st round draft pick isn't something I'd spend on OG.

 

[rossihunter2]

Who'd you start? High 1st round draft pick isn't something I'd spend on OG.

not even quenton nelson?

but what about a 2nd round guard like maybe billy price, or lewis coming back, or siragusa or a free agent signing

 

[allblackraven]

not even quenton nelson?

but what about a 2nd round guard like maybe billy price, or lewis coming back, or siragusa or a free agent signing

Not even Nelson.
I'd much rather sign good FA, if available and we have enough cap room, or let Lewis/Siragusa/Hurst compete for a job. If anything, this season showed we can put together serviceable O line despite all the injuries.
I really, really, really want two playmakers at offensive skill positions with our first two picks.

 

[rossihunter2]

Not even Nelson.
I'd much rather sign good FA, if available and we have enough cap room, or let Lewis/Siragusa/Hurst compete for a job. If anything, this season showed we can put together serviceable O line despite all the injuries.
I really, really, really want two playmakers at offensive skill positions with our first two picks.

idk that id mind - id love to get skill guys but id also love nelson

 

[allblackraven]

Obviously, the assumption is Marty won't be our OC next season, otherwise what's the point?

 

[RavensMania]

not even quenton nelson?

but what about a 2nd round guard like maybe billy price, or lewis coming back, or siragusa or a free agent signing

I’d love Quenton Nelson as our pick. My god the guys a beast and I’m not always a fan of taking a player that isn’t a LT early in the first. That being said, I’ve come around on that idea wiry players like Martin and Hutchinson to go back even further.

Now I haven’t done my research on Billy Price in the 2nd, but whose to say he’s even going to be there at that point, especially in a draft that isn’t supposed to be that deep in talent. I say grab the guy if he is there and yes, I know I’m preaching to the choir. Lol

 

[RavensMania]

idk that id mind - id love to get skill guys but id also love nelson

Same, right now I’m 1a Fitzpatrick, 1b Nelson, 2 Ridley, 3 McGlinchey

This could all change in the offseason

 

[rossihunter2]

I’d love Quenton Nelson as our pick. My god the guys a beast and I’m not always a fan of taking a player that isn’t a LT early in the first. That being said, I’ve come around on that idea wiry players like Martin and Hutchinson to go back even further.

Now I haven’t done my research on Billy Price in the 2nd, but whose to say he’s even going to be there at that point, especially in a draft that isn’t supposed to be that deep in talent. I say grab the guy if he is there and yes, I know I’m preaching to the choir. Lol

oh yeah im not sure price gets to the 2nd round at all tbh

 

[rossihunter2]

Same, right now I’m 1a Fitzpatrick, 1b Nelson, 2 Ridley, 3 McGlinchey

This could all change in the offseason

yeah im only just starting to look a bit deeper at talent given that i have no idea where we're going to be picking - i mean we dont look like a good football team but we also have the softest schedule i can remember as a ravens fan...

so nelson would be ideal but id be realistically happy depending on our spot in the 1st round offensively (with my limited study first impressions so far) with nelson, ridley, mcglinchey, conor williams, guice, cain, sutton, miller, washington, rosen, allen, darnold, price

christ, obviously i havent done a huge amount of study but that's only 13 offensive players so far who look destined at this point for a high(ish) grade - if it really comes to pass this way then matt miller is 100% right that this is a thin and weak overall draft

 

[Willbacker]

Not even Nelson.
I'd much rather sign good FA, if available and we have enough cap room, or let Lewis/Siragusa/Hurst compete for a job. If anything, this season showed we can put together serviceable O line despite all the injuries.
I really, really, really want two playmakers at offensive skill positions with our first two picks.

Maybe if Ridley is available but if we have a mid rd pick who else would you take at skill.

 

[allblackraven]

Maybe if Ridley is available but if we have a mid rd pick who else would you take at skill.

Haven't really seen enough prospects to be able to tell but I'm basing all this on my belief we'll pick just slightly lower than where we got Stanley.

 

[rossihunter2]

Haven't really seen enough prospects to be able to tell but I'm basing all this on my belief we'll pick just slightly lower than where we got Stanley.

with so many bad teams in the nfl i cant see us losing out and i cant see us ending up in the top 10 at this point - i think we currently have the 14th pick and i dont see many teams behind us winning many more games either

 

[Filmstudy]

the second part was more that he wouldnt be an awful backup - the reports through the offseason were that he looked good at right tackle (despite what actual performances had shown us before then)

do you have any reference about whether that many pulls (28/34) is remarkable around the league or is it just rare for the ravens?

Ben Grubbs had an extraordinary string of consecutive successful pulls at one point that I was tracking, but I'd have to go back to my articles to research it. Just from memory, it might have been 29 of 30 or similar.

I don't think any player in the time I have been scoring has pulled as much as Hurst. He now has 61 attempts in 9 games (6.8/game).

 

[rossihunter2]

Ben Grubbs had an extraordinary string of consecutive successful pulls at one point that I was tracking, but I'd have to go back to my articles to research it. Just from memory, it might have been 29 of 30 or similar.

I don't think any player in the time I have been scoring has pulled as much as Hurst. He now has 61 attempts in 9 games (6.8/game).

does that include other teams?

 

[BloodRaven]

the reason he's pulling so much is because he's been powerful in the run game when he pulls - he will never be a bully on the line but he's certainly a starter quality player

I disagree, he's the type of guy you start when theres nobody else and replace as soon as possible. We already did it once with Austin Howard.