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Lamar Jackson
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allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Well, it should be knock on Joe. Big fucking knock, because he did that his entire career.
I didn’t want to start a whole new argument. Or would that be the old argument....
JAAM
Hall of Famer
But I will still forever be grateful for the Super Bowl he brought to Baltimore. Nobody can take that away from him.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
It's the old argument. We can't absolve Joe of his shortcomings just because he is a nice guy. If the fanboys get upset by facts and the truth, and they will, then so be it.
They absolutely cannot - I don't think anyone wants to give that superbowl back lol
Tru11
Practice Squad
Funny cause some dude was under 58% in the play offs enroute to a record setting post season run that ended in a SB....
Same dude was completing 44% of his passes in the play offs as a rookie........
RaineV1
Ravens Ring of Honor
I have to really disagree with the first part of this. It's actually far more important to be accurate when you don't throw often. For an offense like the Ravens had this season one or two miss passes can utterly destroy a drive's momentum. And even for a ball control offense, you have to be able to be clutch on 3rd downs that require throwing.
flynismo
Practice Squad
I don't know where you get the notion that it can be. That's like saying you can teach arm strength. You can do things like correct poor mechanics or footwork that will help get a little more zip into a pass, but that is about it. You can't teach arm strength, can't teach accuracy, can't teach anticipation.
Let me guess, you think completion % is an indication of how accurate a QB is?
flynismo
Practice Squad
You don't get it because you exaggerate. Nobody said he is the most accurate passer in history. And nobody but you seems to be foolish enough to think completion % means a thing.
flynismo
Practice Squad
You mean like how the Lamar fellaters pretend that you can just teach someone how to throw an accurate pass and play QB on the NFL level? I feel your pain.
tbf the initial thing he responded to - was you quoting something talking about lamar's "inaccuracy" with reference to 58% completion percentage as being the issue...
that's why all the subsequent responses are about completion percentage
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
No, I meant exactly what I said - it was about Joe and Joe's fanboys.
flynismo
Practice Squad
Right. Very similar to Lamar and his groupies, as I said. It's very telling that any criticism of Lamar is typically met with comparisons to Flacco's perceived issues, or absurd assumptions like "he'll improve as a passer" or "we can coach that out of him" or "we can teach him how to throw accurately".
Flacco is what he is, and that is a highly accomplished NFL QB that possesses one of the best (the best?) post season record of any QB playing today. A SB MVP. Now he is getting up there in age and injuries and is part of our history, not our present or future.
Lamar is a raw, unrefined rookie who has yet to accomplish a thing, and faces an uphill battle now that LAC has shown how to stop him.
People need to stop comparing the two. Lamar will lose every time, and that isn't fair to him.
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allblackraven
Hall of Famer
No, it's not because you can't have the same argument as a negative for Lamar if you don't consider it a negative for Flacco.
Particularly in light of Lamar being a rookie with no practice with ones before he started his first game, vs 11 years of the same with Joe.
there absolutely are things lamar can to do with his mechanics that will make him better at making certain throws. he's actually improved tremendously from college already. Don't be so naive to think that this can't be done.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Joe couldn't do it, how possibly Lamar can?
flynismo
Practice Squad
Please. A lot of people seem to have very selective memory; quickly forgetting all the garbage throws and only remembering the times he gets it right.
"Making him better at making certain throws" is NOT the same thing as making him an accurate passer. It means that he can learn how to better position himself to get the ball to the receiver without a defender breaking it up, that's all that means. It does not mean he'll suddenly start making throws into tight windows consistently or his placement will be greatly improved.
flynismo
Practice Squad
I know this guy isn't as smart as some of you random internet guys, but worth a read anyway.
http://footballscoop.com/news/mike-leach-quarterback-isnt-accurate-shouldnt-recruit/
Summary:
“The other thing is, you can go grab a shortstop and teach him to play quarterback easier than you can make someone accurate.”
http://footballscoop.com/news/mike-leach-quarterback-isnt-accurate-shouldnt-recruit/
Summary:
“The other thing is, you can go grab a shortstop and teach him to play quarterback easier than you can make someone accurate.”
Ellicottraven
Ravens Ring of Honor
The 3 seasons you refer to with his highest percentage completion rates? They were the reasons where he was dinking and dunking the ball with his first read. I think to look at completion percentage you'll also have to look at yards per attempt. I can almost bet you that those 3 yrs Flacco's may have been the lowest of his career. I don't know what Lamar's is but I'm willing to wager that it is surely more than what Flacco had with great completion rates....