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Lamar Jackson
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cobrajet
Hall of Famer
I second that!
It goes against everything they’ve built relationship wise over the years. If EDC and Lamar agree to a deal, Steve certainly isn’t going to be the one that makes it not happen.
if that were true, EDC would have been long gone before his succession from ozzie happened - one of the most in demand GMs in the NFL for half a decade (or more) before he took over from Ozzie and he stayed
if he has employed people to do that job for him, and employed them on that basis it would be disastrous for the organisation's cohesion of he stepped in and vetoed stuff - im 100% sure he will give his opinion, something that they seek from him in all parts of their operation but bisciotti has stepped back on all aspects of the team... he no longer gives yearly pressers, he has never been the team president (and just appointed a successor in sashi brown)
Tank
Hall of Famer
Yeah, no doubt. Thing is though everyone knows it's the Browns and using common sense they know it was a dumb move and should have no bearing on the QB market.
Tank
Hall of Famer
IMO that would be pretty dumb.
SaltyDog
MVP
Yeah but EDC and Lamar are not going to agree on a deal unless SB approves of the terms beforehand, at least not a contract of this magnitude.
BoredMarine13
Ravens Ring of Honor
I’m not saying steve is micro managing, I’m pointing out he provides a framework to his employees and trust them to operate within those limits. I imagine DeCosta gets a very wide lateral limit to operate within.
But if you think anyone in the organization has the authority to pull the trigger on deal of this magnitude with out Steve’s buy in… zero chance.
airconteka
MVP
Is there a predetermined contract value when SB needs to approve contacts? How about Stanleys? Where's this approval matrix, I assume it has been made publicly available?
The truth is we don't know if this is the case, everything in the past suggests SB let's people do their job, that seems more likely to me but certainly doesn't mean it is the case either.
SaltyDog
MVP
Well you’re right we really don’t know for sure, but if I were EDC I would certainly make sure that SB is on board before agreeing to a deal like this one. There would have to be at least a framework of some sort, that they both agree on.
airconteka
MVP
There's a difference between seeking counsel vs being told what to do. I just think SB has demonstrated over the years he trusts he guys, he can because he has always had trustworthy guys in place and a rock solid succession plan.
SaltyDog
MVP
Of course he trusts them but what I’m saying is that It would be foolish to think that SB is not informed and in agreement with EDC on terms, or at least some framework of terms, for any deal of this magnitude. If Lamar was asking for something outside of those terms then I would think that EDC would consult with SB. To me that’s a healthy working relationship.
airconteka
MVP
Yeah for sure, I'm sure they have had plenty discussions. Just wish it was done, so tired of all the speculation!
SaltyDog
MVP
Yeah me too.
I can agree to some extent but again, that’s because this whole business is built on trust and relationships. If EDC and Steve didn’t see eye to eye on value of Lamar, he’d be out of a job already. I’m sure they’re cohesive in thought because Steve is employing people that have the same vision. The same reason he’s always stayed out of the day to day operation. He’s putting people in charge that he trusts and knows will keep his business interests in mind as well. I just don’t think there’s any scenario where he’s meddling in the background saying no to terms. If he was, there’s a much bigger probably at a higher level of this team.
Ellicottraven
Ravens Ring of Honor
I agree with you to an extent. While he may not indulge in day-to-day negotiations regarding Lamar's contract, I'm sure he has conveyed the general attributes he would be comfortable with, such as the range of guaranteed money, the agreement's term, and the contract's AAV itself. Not specifically, but where his upper limit of comfort is. Within those parameters, EDC, Moriarty, and Ozzie will try and negotiate a deal with Lamar. I'm sure EDC is pretty close to offering Lamar Steve's not to exceed number as the regular season comes into clear focus. If he hasn't already, he soon will. Then it is Lamar's comfort level, whether that is acceptable to him or he believes risking it for another year is to his benefit. I say this because he knows Burrow and Herbert are coming up next off-season too.
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
I would imagine there's a basic "framework" or ballpark discussion well ahead of time, but I honestly wouldn't think Steve is really in the details on these types of things.
Cap management Steve probably cares very little, if at all. The reason he'd be in the loop on deals like this is probably for cash flow purposes. Like if Eric wanted to give Lamar a $100M signing bonus, that's kind of critical for Steve to know that. But we're well past the point where he knows like what the AAV range is, what the range is for total payouts, probably even guaranteed money, etc.
But it is a business, and its a gigantic annual cash outlay. The owner is going to want to know specifics about that and plan accordingly. I think we as fans all caught up in salary cap management and all of that, but none of that is relevant to the IRS or to actual shareholders in the business. Cash flow is what matters, and so a business Owner is likely to care significantly more about how his actual bottom line is impacted than how a fictitious salary cap table is presented. And he obviously is aware of how salary caps can be manipulated and what that entails anyway.
Somebody else asked about Stanley and my guess is the QB contract is probably mostly the one that the Owner would be involved with. Like Stanley's contract is big, but it's not THAT big. Stanley's contract is really just a normal-course-of-business contract every team gives to one of its better players.
SaltyDog
MVP
I think we’re saying the same things here in different ways. I never said that SB “meddled”. I could be wrong but i do believe that EDC does not have free range to make big decisions on contracts of this magnitude. I believe there is a healthy working relationship between owner and GM, which would mean to me that SB trusts EDC, but they still communicate and agree on all things of this importance. It’s more about respect for one another.
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
It's got to be this. In life things always tend to be the moderate in between answer rather than extremes. Obviously SB trusts the hell out of EDC and that's why as @rmcjacket23 said, the Stanley deal is business as usual for the Ravens. But it's also a little naive to think that the owner does not at all talk to the GM when discussing historic contracts at the QB position. That may not look anything like SB MANDATING anything one way or another, but this is pretty much the biggest decision a team can make so there's likely a large discourse between the two to ensure everyone is at least largely unified in vision.
That’s fair and maybe it wasn’t as much against you, but I think the whole “SB won’t sign off on it” idea is just wrong. He and Eric have surely talked about this and will continue to talk about it in the coming days. But SB isn’t putting someone in charge that doesn’t have his best interests in mind, and Eric isn’t working here is he doesn’t have the full support. More arguing that these 2 are most certainly aligned and if a deal is agreed to, Steve isn’t going to block it at this point. Eric wouldn’t even be out there offering something that he knows he doesn’t have the support behind.