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Lamar Jackson

29BmoreBird22

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Regarding Flacco apologists-

What I think many, myself included, are referring to is that there are posters who thought Joe was infallible. I was one of the most ardent and staunch Flacco supporters until 2016, but Joe just wasn't the same after that ACL injury. For most, it was pretty inarguable that Joe's play dropped off heavily from 2016-2018 and that Lamar's insertion into the starting line up was necessary to spark the Ravens to finally make a playoff run.

Some, however, refused to acknowledge the downturn in his play and blamed EVERYTHING around Joe and made every excuse possible for his poor play. Nothing was ever Flacco's fault, no matter what the Ravens did. Then, when Joe moved teams, there were Ravens fans who STILL insisted that Joe was good and the teams around him were the issue, despite Joe clearly having declined to the status of backup.

Now, is this an issue to be a Flacco stan? No, not at all in a vacuum. It's great to support the Ravens and their players.

The issue came for two reasons.

1. Certain fans became VERY hostile if you dared say Flacco was less than perfect. You were not to question his play because Flacco won a Super Bowl and was the Ravens first franchise quarterback.

2. This is much more aggregious to me, but Lamar isn't afforded the same benefit of the doubt as Flacco was by certain fans. We have fans in here calling an MVP award a "participation trophy." That's absurd. Yes, I'd love a deep playoff run like Flacco had. I'd love to recapture that magic. But, acting like an MVP isn't a big deal is silly. Lamar's trajectory is currently surefire Hall of Famer in large part thanks to his two MVP awards. Lamar, without a doubt, is the absolute best offensive talent the Ravens have ever had and certain fans will nitpick the ever living hell out of every single thing Lamar dies. I'm sure there are fans who would pick apart his Miami game from last year because Lamar threw a couple incompletions. The biggest reason (maybe second biggest) seems to be that these fans are salty that Lamar ended Flacco's time in Baltimore. I'm not sure any quarterback who followed Flacco would be enough for some fans, but it's absurd that Lamar isn't when he's one of the best players in the NFL when healthy.
 

29BmoreBird22

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Big game, big stage, against an offense led by a fellow 2018 QB star draft pick. Time to shine Lamar and get a piece of that gorilla off your back!

LET'S GO!!!
Are we implying Lamar hasn't won big games before? Or hasn't beaten Josh Allen? Because he's done both...

I'm confused here...
 

purplepittabread88

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Are we implying Lamar hasn't won big games before? Or hasn't beaten Josh Allen? Because he's done both...

I'm confused here...

I don't think anyone denies Lamar wins big games. I will say, Lamar is 1-2 against Allen with the losses being insanely avoidable and annoying. I wouldn't guess there are many if any other qbs in the league who don't play on the Kansas City cheats with a winning record against Lamar. I would love to smoke em to shut down there Allen > Lamar narrative

(Additionally, we only beat Allen in his first season where he was no where near what he is now, 5 years is a long gap to beat an AFC rival) it is fair of there fans to argue we've never beaten a developed Allen. That argument will crumble in about 100 hours.
 

RavensMania

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I don't think anyone denies Lamar wins big games. I will say, Lamar is 1-2 against Allen with the losses being insanely avoidable and annoying. I wouldn't guess there are many if any other qbs in the league who don't play on the Kansas City cheats with a winning record against Lamar. I would love to smoke em to shut down there Allen > Lamar narrative
the last game we lost we were winning by 17 points
 

Baltimorican

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Regarding Flacco apologists-

What I think many, myself included, are referring to is that there are posters who thought Joe was infallible. I was one of the most ardent and staunch Flacco supporters until 2016, but Joe just wasn't the same after that ACL injury. For most, it was pretty inarguable that Joe's play dropped off heavily from 2016-2018 and that Lamar's insertion into the starting line up was necessary to spark the Ravens to finally make a playoff run.

Some, however, refused to acknowledge the downturn in his play and blamed EVERYTHING around Joe and made every excuse possible for his poor play. Nothing was ever Flacco's fault, no matter what the Ravens did. Then, when Joe moved teams, there were Ravens fans who STILL insisted that Joe was good and the teams around him were the issue, despite Joe clearly having declined to the status of backup.

Now, is this an issue to be a Flacco stan? No, not at all in a vacuum. It's great to support the Ravens and their players.

The issue came for two reasons.

1. Certain fans became VERY hostile if you dared say Flacco was less than perfect. You were not to question his play because Flacco won a Super Bowl and was the Ravens first franchise quarterback.

2. This is much more aggregious to me, but Lamar isn't afforded the same benefit of the doubt as Flacco was by certain fans. We have fans in here calling an MVP award a "participation trophy." That's absurd. Yes, I'd love a deep playoff run like Flacco had. I'd love to recapture that magic. But, acting like an MVP isn't a big deal is silly. Lamar's trajectory is currently surefire Hall of Famer in large part thanks to his two MVP awards. Lamar, without a doubt, is the absolute best offensive talent the Ravens have ever had and certain fans will nitpick the ever living hell out of every single thing Lamar dies. I'm sure there are fans who would pick apart his Miami game from last year because Lamar threw a couple incompletions. The biggest reason (maybe second biggest) seems to be that these fans are salty that Lamar ended Flacco's time in Baltimore. I'm not sure any quarterback who followed Flacco would be enough for some fans, but it's absurd that Lamar isn't when he's one of the best players in the NFL when healthy.

Flacco was a poor man's Eli Manning. Was not a fan.
 

29BmoreBird22

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I don't think anyone denies Lamar wins big games. I will say, Lamar is 1-2 against Allen with the losses being insanely avoidable and annoying. I wouldn't guess there are many if any other qbs in the league who don't play on the Kansas City cheats with a winning record against Lamar. I would love to smoke em to shut down there Allen > Lamar narrative

(Additionally, we only beat Allen in his first season where he was no where near what he is now, 5 years is a long gap to beat an AFC rival) it is fair of there fans to argue we've never beaten a developed Allen. That argument will crumble in about 100 hours.
The Ravens beat Allen in 2018 and 2019.
 

OURavensFan

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The Ravens beat Allen in 2018 and 2019.
He didn’t start that 2018 game. Statmuse always messes these up, just like they count a Flacco TNF loss against the Bengals to Lamar’s record if you don’t specify as a starter in your query. Looking back at the 2018 week 1 matchup it’s actually pretty cool, Flacco led the Ravens to a lopsided win and late 3rd quarter rookie Lamar was in against Josh Allen who took over for whoever started for the Bills, maybe it was Peterman.
 

OURavensFan

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Are we implying Lamar hasn't won big games before? Or hasn't beaten Josh Allen? Because he's done both...

I'm confused here...
No and he’s never been to the AFC Championship and hasn’t won a playoff game yet (I’ve actually heard this said on espn). But it is funny how the Houston 4 TD game doesn’t count anymore
 

UPennChem

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You can hate him for the way he tried desperately to hold on to his job and didn't want to support Lamar, but you have to love his brutal honesty and his surreal candidness. As for me, I've learned to move on from the 2018 Flacco that I didn't like, to the other Flacco that I defended like a rabid dog.
I don't hate Joe in any way or for any reason. Lamar is obviously a tremendously better QB but that doesn't take away from Joe's SB and time here.
 

JAAM

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JAAM

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it will always remind me of the myles garrett and jadeveon clowney browns looking at lamar after he pulled off this miracle on SNF


Exactly my first thought lol!
 
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