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Lamar Jackson

OURavensFan said:
When your top weapons are constantly choking as well it’s hard. Flowers and Andrews need to play better.
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While very true, you can't excuse Lamar for his turnovers. The fumble against the Bills was such a backbreaker because we were getting closer and closer to FG position. The INT in the endzone was an ill-advised throw into double coverage (maybe even triple).
 
OURavensFan said:
When your top weapons are constantly choking as well it’s hard. Flowers and Andrews need to play better.
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I mean flowers is only in year 2 and he’s had a grand total of 2 choke plays.

Andrews for sure, he’s no stranger to this, but it’s way premature to throw zay in there
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I mean flowers is only in year 2 and he’s had a grand total of 2 choke plays.

Andrews for sure, he’s no stranger to this, but it’s way premature to throw zay in there
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I agree and it really, really sucked to lose him week 18. No one seems to give Lamar any leeway for missing his best WR, you just know if it was anyone else they would be giving that excuse
 
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Lamar in the top 25 of the last 25 years, but you know, 4th qb today
 
OURavensFan said:
I agree and it really, really sucked to lose him week 18. No one seems to give Lamar any leeway for missing his best WR, you just know if it was anyone else they would be giving that excuse
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I like to think we win that game if zay plays, but I’m sure we find a way to fuck it up no matter who he had.

We did everything in our power to lose that game. There’s Lamar and andrews mistakes, but then there’s shit like calling all pass plays inside the 5 and pre-snap flags when they were getting absolutely buttfucked by Henry and Justice the same drive, and the bullshit 3rd down PI that should’ve been OPI on Coleman that led to a TD.

Just once I’d like to see us play mistake free in the playoffs and not get boned by the refs.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i dont agree with it but could understand people having different orders (in all combinations) of the top 4... but who had lamar 6th... that's not justifiable at all...
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I can see the case for ranking Mahomes and Allen above him depending on taste but not Burrow, great as he is. Lamar beats Joe in everything from head-to-heads and stats to individual accolades. Burrow hasn't even seriously been in an MVP conversation yet.

If you're ranking that one Super Bowl run, when Burrow was good not great, above all that then you're just wrong and probably not very smart.
 
Tank said:
I think the sticking point may not be the SB win per se, but just playing smarter in the tournament use the talent at hand in a measured fashion. Above all else, take care of the ball. Make it so we're not having to lean so hard into hero ball to win.
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Hero ball was Roman's gameplan throughout his time as OC. If the early down runs didn't work "save us, Lamar" was all he had and in the playoffs, they set out to shut down the run so Roman would abandon everything and go hero ball only after the first quarter.

That did put some extra anxiety onto Lamar and make him push too hard in the playoffs but I'm not sure that fumble in Buffalo was more evidence of hero ball. Yes, the result was bad and it looked ugly but how many of Lamar's highlights come from him trying to save bad situations like that? Was he just playing his natural game, as we all want him to, and we're just saying he was doing too much because it didn't work out?
 
QtR Nevermore said:
I can see the case for ranking Mahomes and Allen above him depending on taste but not Burrow, great as he is. Lamar beats Joe in everything from head-to-heads and stats to individual accolades. Burrow hasn't even seriously been in an MVP conversation yet.

If you're ranking that one Super Bowl run, when Burrow was good not great, above all that then you're just wrong and probably not very smart.
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if the bengals defence wasn't even worse than the ravens defence was first half of the year, the bengals are competing with the ravens for the division and burrow is very much getting some 1st place MVP votes in that scenario

if you take recent form (in terms of actual QB play not just wins and losses), i think it's hard to argue that it's Lamar and Allen at 1 and 2, Burrow at 3 and Mahomes at 4...

but it feels horrible putting Mahomes anywhere other than 1st
 
QtR Nevermore said:
I can see the case for ranking Mahomes and Allen above him depending on taste but not Burrow, great as he is. Lamar beats Joe in everything from head-to-heads and stats to individual accolades. Burrow hasn't even seriously been in an MVP conversation yet.

If you're ranking that one Super Bowl run, when Burrow was good not great, above all that then you're just wrong and probably not very smart.
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The irony behind burrow not being in a mvp conversation, is that it’s for the same reason Lamar lost mvp to Allen last year, burrow can’t win mvp because chase and Higgins, Lamar couldn’t win it because of Henry.

But only one of those 2 qbs were the mvp runner-up in 2024, despite the supporting cast narrative
 
rossihunter2 said:
if the bengals defence wasn't even worse than the ravens defence was first half of the year, the bengals are competing with the ravens for the division and burrow is very much getting some 1st place MVP votes in that scenario

if you take recent form (in terms of actual QB play not just wins and losses), i think it's hard to argue that it's Lamar and Allen at 1 and 2, Burrow at 3 and Mahomes at 4...

but it feels horrible putting Mahomes anywhere other than 1st
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Mahomes is the best qb in the league hands down until he proves otherwise, and it will take multiple seasons for him to prove that. Winning 3 rings by playing high level mistake free football gives you that leeway. If Lamar can put together one postseason of mistake free football, this conversation opens up.
 
rossihunter2 said:
if the bengals defence wasn't even worse than the ravens defence was first half of the year, the bengals are competing with the ravens for the division and burrow is very much getting some 1st place MVP votes in that scenario

if you take recent form (in terms of actual QB play not just wins and losses), i think it's hard to argue that it's Lamar and Allen at 1 and 2, Burrow at 3 and Mahomes at 4...

but it feels horrible putting Mahomes anywhere other than 1st
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I agree that Mahomes has been playing like the 4th but the SB wins keep him at 1.

Burrow may have got some MVP votes last year but not many. He was great but not quite as good as the top 2. All the endless Allen vs Lamar debates would have made it clear to the voters that Burrow was a touch below those 2.

I do feel like he's got a great chance to win this year though. Voters will be feeling that it's his turn, as the rest of the big 4 have won already.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Mahomes is the best qb in the league hands down until he proves otherwise, and it will take multiple seasons for him to prove that. Winning 3 rings by playing high level mistake free football gives you that leeway. If Lamar can put together one postseason of mistake free football, this conversation opens up.
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ultimately what you think about mahomes the last 2-3 years is down to how you value QB wins as a stat
because the play level does not say number 1, but as you say, the superbowls says he is

that's not to say he sucks at all lol, still easily playing at a top 5 QB level over that period
 
QtR Nevermore said:
I agree that Mahomes has been playing like the 4th but the SB wins keep him at 1.

Burrow may have got some MVP votes last year but not many. He was great but not quite as good as the top 2. All the endless Allen vs Lamar debates would have made it clear to the voters that Burrow was a touch below those 2.

I do feel like he's got a great chance to win this year though. Voters will be feeling that it's his turn, as the rest of the big 4 have won already.
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i think if the bengals ever get the 1 seed (or maybe even the 2/3 seed with an average to poor defence) with burrow playing at a high level, he'll get a MVP
 
rossihunter2 said:
ultimately what you think about mahomes the last 2-3 years is down to how you value QB wins as a stat
because the play level does not say number 1, but as you say, the superbowls says he is

that's not to say he sucks at all lol, still easily playing at a top 5 QB level over that period
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I just know that if I needed just one drive to win it all, that’s the guy I’d trust to get it done. Lamar is close 2nd, but Mahomes has just been so clutch for so long.
 
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