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Lamar Jackson

DeVito52 said:
You don’t get this argument? Really? So you’re trying to tell me the Broncos titans and panthers are “really good teams” lmaooooooooo
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It's just stupid logic generally. They can only play the teams they are able to play. The phrase "really good teams" is bullshit because it's just a way to exclude things that prove you wrong. The Bills and Broncos are top 5 Defensive DVOA teams. Falcons are still a top 10 Offense.
 
jboy19 said:
It's just stupid logic generally. They can only play the teams they are able to play. The phrase "really good teams" is bullshit because it's just a way to exclude things that prove you wrong. The Bills and Broncos are top 5 Defensive DVOA teams. Falcons are still a top 10 Offense.
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the bills and broncos were not good teams when we faced them though...
if we decide the bengals arent a good team when jackson faced them (which they werent) then we have to take into account that all 4 teams that flacco beat were also not good teams when we beat them...
 
rossihunter2 said:
the bills and broncos were not good teams when we faced them though...
if we decide the bengals arent a good team when jackson faced them (which they werent) then we have to take into account that all 4 teams that flacco beat were also not good teams when we beat them...
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Broncos were 2-1 they were the same team they are now thr Bills I'll give you
 
balfan23 said:
Hate to sidetrack the conversation about whether Lamar is having a positive effect on the team (LOL), but I want to throw in the shout out to Bob. In most cases, if you throw your 3rd string QB out there, you're shit out of luck. He basically picked up right where Jackson left off and allowed the team to function in the same capacity - another 8 minute possession that ended in points.

You have to feel good for him. He's worked hard to get anyone to believe in him again. People scoffed when we picked him up (bringing up more tired questions on why we didn't pick up Kap). He's quietly waited for an opportunity. Albeit a small opportunity, he took it.

I firmly believe he's worked his way into a backup gig with this team next year. I believe we go back to a 2 QB roster in 2019 and it will be Lamar and Bob.
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And last year Alex Collins was going to become the best RB in the NFL. Do you happen to remember that hype?
 
I hate the whole “bad team” narrative because it is so relative. Lose a guy or two and a team goes on a losing streak and can become a bad team. Bengals were a “good team” then lost Carl Lawson and AJ Green now they’re a bad team. I’ve used the same narrative so I’m not condemning anyone I just realize it’s an idiotic statement because I really don’t think there are truly bad teams except a very select few. Maybe like 2-4 teams max.
 
Grim said:
I hate the whole “bad team” narrative because it is so relative. Loss a guy or two and a team goes on a losing streak and can become a bad team. Bengals were a “good team” then lost Carl Lawson and AJ Green now they’re a bad team. I’ve used the same narrative so I’m not condemning anyone I just realize it’s an idiotic statement because I really don’t think there are truly bad teams except a very select few. Maybe like 2-4 teams max.
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Raiders are one of those 2-4 to be fair
 
rossihunter2 said:
the bills and broncos were not good teams when we faced them though...
if we decide the bengals arent a good team when jackson faced them (which they werent) then we have to take into account that all 4 teams that flacco beat were also not good teams when we beat them...
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Im not demeaning Lamar's wins. He's improved every week and beat the teams he played - that's what he's supposed to do. Were they weaker defenses than Flacco played? Yes, not sure it's even arguable. Does that actually matter? Not really.

The Broncos were undefeated when they played in Baltimore. The Bills did improve after week 1, but it's still the same players/coaches on defense as it was. Im not saying Flacco deserves all the credit for these wins (or all the blame for the losses). The perception isn't helped by the fact that Flacco got injured following a 3 game losing streak that he certainly didn't look great during.
 
Grim said:
I hate the whole “bad team” narrative because it is so relative. Loss a guy or two and a team goes on a losing streak and can become a bad team. Bengals were a “good team” then lost Carl Lawson and AJ Green now they’re a bad team. I’ve used the same narrative so I’m not condemning anyone I just realize it’s an idiotic statement because I really don’t think there are truly bad teams except a very select few. Maybe like 2-4 teams max.
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It is the parity the NFL has always wanted. Most teams are average, the Ravens included.
 
RavensFan419 said:
Raiders are one of those 2-4 to be fair
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I would agree but they’ve been quietly improving so I’m not sure I can say that. They almost beat KC and have been looking better.

David Rockefeller said:
It is the parity the NFL has always wanted. Most teams are average, the Ravens included.
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That’s absolutely true. The NFL wanted this and it seems to be true except for the Patriots and even they look mortal lately.
 
Grim said:
Let’s not be unfair to Flacco. He was playing very well early in the season and the offense was clicking big time. Then the Saints shut us down and that was the end of that Joe Flacco. I guess the Bengals did it first but it was really NO who popped that balloon. I don’t think I’m in a very small minority here in how I see our QB situation. Lamar
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That's exactly my beef with Flacco - he might look calm and collected but he gets rattled and is not able to snap out of it.
He was never very accurate passer but at least he had the ability to overcome bad plays. Not always but enough times to make it work. Not the case last several seasons.
 
Grim said:
+ good poise, pocket awareness, able to make all the throws, hits WR in stride, football smart, electric with the ball, able to keep defenses on their heels, able to go through progressions, excellent character and seemingly work ethic, shown ability to hit WR in the hands
- inconsistent mechanics that need work and refinement, throws can be off, penchant to turn over the ball in fumbles and interceptions, unknown quality as a pure passer when the run option is gone

That’s my current assessment of Jackson. I think all his issues come from mechanics and the turnovers have to stop. We need to see what happens with him as a pure passer but we won’t know that until Marty allows him and maybe there’s a reason he hasn’t. I feel like I’m missing something here but I’ll leave it with this.
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Missing bit is probably inexperience, hopefully with few more games under his belt, he'll know when's the time to get rid of the ball and save it for next play.

Considering lot of progress he made in other areas, no reason to doubt he'll be able to figure this out, too.
 
jboy19 said:
It's just stupid logic generally. They can only play the teams they are able to play. The phrase "really good teams" is bullshit because it's just a way to exclude things that prove you wrong. The Bills and Broncos are top 5 Defensive DVOA teams. Falcons are still a top 10 Offense.
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Wtf are you even saying. No shit we can only play who we are able to play. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? And now saying whether a team is really good or not is bullshit? So I guess being 6-6 in the nfl means you’re a great team then! Gtfo. And now what, you’re trying to tell me the game vs. the bills was a good win because they are top 5 defensive dvoa teams? And who said anything about the falcons? Quit wasting my time.
 
allblackraven said:
That's exactly my beef with Flacco - he might look calm and collected but he gets rattled and is not able to snap out of it.
He was never very accurate passer but at least he had the ability to overcome bad plays. Not always but enough times to make it work. Not the case last several seasons.
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You guys better start Lamar this Sunday. Flacco isn't any good anymore IMO. Jackson is the future.
 
DeVito52 said:
Wtf are you even saying. No shit we can only play who we are able to play. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? And now saying whether a team is really good or not is bullshit? So I guess being 6-6 in the nfl means you’re a great team then! Gtfo. And now what, you’re trying to tell me the game vs. the bills was a good win because they are top 5 defensive dvoa teams? And who said anything about the falcons? Quit wasting my time.
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If you're attempting say that the wins don't count for shit, Im trying to point out stats/evidence to point out the actual quality of teams the Ravens beat. Putting up 47 points in this league is a "good win" no matter who you play. Im not saying 6-6 is really good, but these are teams in playoff runs, so they aren't bad teams that should just be written off.
 
jboy19 said:
If you're attempting say that the wins don't count for shit, Im trying to point out stats/evidence to point out the actual quality of teams the Ravens beat. Putting up 47 points in this league is a "good win" no matter who you play. Im not saying 6-6 is really good, but these are teams in playoff runs, so they aren't bad teams that should just be written off.
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yes but you're not really using the stats in a genuine trustworthy way - you're using season-long stats to apply them to games when the teams looked vastly different and statistically were different teams

the broncos and bills might right now be statistically top 5 defences but they were not when the ravens encountered them and its disingenuous to say the stats or even form of those teams now are even vaguely representative of the teams the ravens faced...

in the same way that the steelers team the ravens faced in week 4 was not good but the steelers team the ravens faced in week 9 was a very good team...
 
rossihunter2 said:
yes but you're not really using the stats in a genuine trustworthy way - you're using season-long stats to apply them to games when the teams looked vastly different and statistically were different teams

the broncos and bills might right now be statistically top 5 defences but they were not when the ravens encountered them and its disingenuous to say the stats or even form of those teams now are even vaguely representative of the teams the ravens faced...

in the same way that the steelers team the ravens faced in week 4 was not good but the steelers team the ravens faced in week 9 was a very good team...
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There are blank spots for sure, but it's not like these teams had huge dramatic turnarounds. A lot of the reason that the Bills D improved was improved QB play/field position/less time on the field but it's still the same players, scheme, etc. The Broncos had a different arch of improvement since they had momentum when they played in, but the same pieces are in place. Every team has a variance and sometimes injuries play a huge role, but we shouldn't just say "oh they sucked then but are good now" and use that to take credit away
 
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