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Lamar Jackson

3-4ravdef509 said:
*me, walks in sheepishly*

Um... is there any room left ...on the Lamar bandwagon?
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Count me in with you Saturday night was enough for me he didnt do too little or try and do too much he took care of the ball and made some very big plays I'm willing to take a few bad throws sprinkled in with all that aslong as we are winning
 
Some of lamars step-ups were absolutely incredible against the chargers. Reminiscent of his jump step to climb the pocket vs N.C. and dodge that free rush before he threw that deep post. Rushers had the line on him a few times and he stepped up in the explosive and dramatic fashion to send that edge rusher flying and take himself out of the play.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Some of lamars step-ups were absolutely incredible against the chargers. Reminiscent of his jump step to climb the pocket vs N.C. and dodge that free rush before he threw that deep post. Rushers had the line on him a few times and he stepped up in the explosive and dramatic fashion to send that edge rusher flying and take himself out of the play.
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He seems to have some of that Russell Wilson magic in evading the rush and it's fucking awesome to watch. The best part is that his eyes are always downfield trying to find someone open for a play.
 
I’m definitely not of the camp that’s been saying Joe’s done - I think Joe could have a few great seasons left in him depending where he ends up.

But Lamar is showing me enough to think we can win with him and save money by letting Joe go. I’m still bitter over how the FO has handled the past four years with Joe but I’m excited for Lamar.
 
RavensFan419 said:
Count me in with you Saturday night was enough for me he didnt do too little or try and do too much he took care of the ball and made some very big plays I'm willing to take a few bad throws sprinkled in with all that aslong as we are winning
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He showed some veteran savvy ness as well. In one situation deep in our territory before the Chargers final drive, instead of throwing the ball away and killing the clock, he kept the ball.
 
I think it’s very interesting where the bulk of the country thinks our basic offense is running zone read and that couldn’t be further from the truth. The bulk of our plays and our big chunk plays have come off of power concepts and trap plays.
 
RavensMania said:
I think it’s very interesting where the bulk of the country thinks our basic offense is running zone read and that couldn’t be further from the truth. The bulk of our plays and our big chunk plays have come off of power concepts and trap plays.
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we've just happened to basically (incidentally or purposefully) implemented play action concepts and the threat of play action into almost every play from scrimmage which has turned our offence into a very difficult offence to stop

so many teams with struggling offences that make a coordinator switch (especially ones with bad OL play) almost always find that a major solution to their problem is to use more play action - it's the most OP tool when you actually use it in your playcalling consistently

the rams at least nominally use play action on every snap they take from under centre - because why not - you basically trade 1 RB (who can still run a route - just a slightly different route tree) for holding any qb-facing coverage defender and potentially even taking 2 LBs completely out of a passing play...

play-action is now a major part of our offence (as it should be) and the zone-read and RPOs majorly contribute to that idea (and are basically an extension of it)
 
rossihunter2 said:
we've just happened to basically (incidentally or purposefully) implemented play action concepts and the threat of play action into almost every play from scrimmage which has turned our offence into a very difficult offence to stop

so many teams with struggling offences that make a coordinator switch (especially ones with bad OL play) almost always find that a major solution to their problem is to use more play action - it's the most OP tool when you actually use it in your playcalling consistently

the rams at least nominally use play action on every snap they take from under centre - because why not - you basically trade 1 RB (who can still run a route - just a slightly different route tree) for holding any qb-facing coverage defender and potentially even taking 2 LBs completely out of a passing play...

play-action is now a major part of our offence (as it should be) and the zone-read and RPOs majorly contribute to that idea (and are basically an extension of it)
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Can we say the offense is hard to stop when looking at the drive by drive it did not really accomplish much. Both in this game and last game the offense is decidedly the weaker unit. I am not saying its 2000 Ravens bad, but the mid 2000s would certainly be eyeing this team up.

It made sense that the offense would struggle this week as the Chargers are the 8th best defense in football but you have to look a little better than that and its a lot harder to make sense of the struggles against the 23rd ranks Bucs (25th against the run). There is a clear recipe for success they just need to get of their own way and do it before they can be considered hard to stop.
 
Adreme said:
Can we say the offense is hard to stop when looking at the drive by drive it did not really accomplish much. Both in this game and last game the offense is decidedly the weaker unit. I am not saying its 2000 Ravens bad, but the mid 2000s would certainly be eyeing this team up.

It made sense that the offense would struggle this week as the Chargers are the 8th best defense in football but you have to look a little better than that and its a lot harder to make sense of the struggles against the 23rd ranks Bucs (25th against the run). There is a clear recipe for success they just need to get of their own way and do it before they can be considered hard to stop.
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What are you talking about? We ran 200+ yards vs Bucs, 160 vs 8th best D in the league. That's called hard to stop by any standard.
 
allblackraven said:
What are you talking about? We ran 200+ yards vs Bucs, 160 vs 8th best D in the league. That's called hard to stop by any standard.
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To be fair a lot of that came on 2 chunk plays. Without those it would be around 90 yards I believe.

We still broke those runs so we can’t discount them, I get that, just playing both sides heare because our run game wasn’t nearly as effective Saturday night, we weren’t breaking em regularly at 7-10 yards a pop like we usually do, we had a lot more stuffed at the line or 2-3 yards past
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
To be fair a lot of that came on 2 chunk plays. Without those it would be around 90 yards I believe.

We still broke those runs so we can’t discount them, I get that, just playing both sides heare because our run game wasn’t nearly as effective Saturday night, we weren’t breaking em regularly at 7-10 yards a pop like we usually do, we had a lot more stuffed at the line or 2-3 yards past
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Of course we did, it's one of the best defenses in the league we faced but even they had to commit extra to defend the run, so we made more plays passing. That was first 200+ yards game in the air.

I want us to be better on offense, I want Lamar to improve heaps in passing game but we can't look at the offense in isolation and start comparing it to some others that have QBs regularly throwing 300 yards. Everything needs to be put in context and I hate when we are quick to point out negatives when clearly there are many more positives that QB change brought.
 
allblackraven said:
Of course we did, it's one of the best defenses in the league we faced but even they had to commit extra to defend the run, so we made more plays passing. That was first 200+ yards game in the air.

I want us to be better on offense, I want Lamar to improve heaps in passing game but we can't look at the offense in isolation and start comparing it to some others that have QBs regularly throwing 300 yards. Everything needs to be put in context and I hate when we are quick to point out negatives when clearly there are many more positives that QB change brought.
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When you look at each drive in both games and how they turned out, its not that impressive. The goal of an offense is not to get yards, its to score points and quite frankly the offense did not do a great job of that either this week or last because they kept making stupid mistakes and needed the defense to bail them out from those mistakes or inability to finish drives.
 
Adreme said:
When you look at each drive in both games and how they turned out, its not that impressive. The goal of an offense is not to get yards, its to score points and quite frankly the offense did not do a great job of that either this week or last because they kept making stupid mistakes and needed the defense to bail them out from those mistakes or inability to finish drives.
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That's true - we left 3 TDs on the field in 1st half. Should have completely wiped the floor with "the best team in AFC". There were execution mistakes but play calling was ridiculous, too.

The point is, we are winning. If not for miracle play on 4th and long, would have beaten Mahomes, too and sit pretty with big 0 in the L column.
 
Here’s a good breakdown on the offense and why Lamar has to continue progressing as a passer, and the o-like still needs addressed in the offseason to make this team successful long term.


 
3-4ravdef509 said:
Here’s a good breakdown on the offense and why Lamar has to continue progressing as a passer, and the o-like still needs addressed in the offseason to make this team successful long term.


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It’s been posted twice before. He thought we would lose to the Chargers....Not
 
allblackraven said:
That's true - we left 3 TDs on the field in 1st half. Should have completely wiped the floor with "the best team in AFC". There were execution mistakes but play calling was ridiculous, too.

The point is, we are winning. If not for miracle play on 4th and long, would have beaten Mahomes, too and sit pretty with big 0 in the L column.
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With a clinched playoff spot and a relaxed fanbase. Until proven otherwise, Lamar's going to keep progressing with his passing. It hasn't been significant per se, but I think @rossihunter2 did a pretty good job noting some of his progressions. Plus, he's going to have a full offseason. Sky's the limit.......
 
Dom McRaven said:
With a clinched playoff spot and a relaxed fanbase. Until proven otherwise, Lamar's going to keep progressing with his passing. It hasn't been significant per se, but I think @rossihunter2 did a pretty good job noting some of his progressions. Plus, he's going to have a full offseason. Sky's the limit.......
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I've never been more excited for the Ravens season than the one coming next year.
 
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