Biscotti already said he not fking with guaranteed contracts.. if lamar hasnt signed yet its likely cause he either wants more money or more guaranteed so yea its likely those are facts…
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Lamar Jackson
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i cant even picture kolar seeing the field right now.. likely looks decent but its hard to tell with anyone else..
BoredMarine13
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That's interesting, had no idea that played a factor. Out of curiosity I looked up Davis net worth and its estimated at 600 million. Surprisingly low for an NFL owner.
rmcjacket23
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Ehh, I'm not buying it. Maybe in the short term, but these are multi-billion dollar valued franchises. They can take out loans for various business needs, just like any other business can. You think all of the stadium costs owners foot for repairs, renovations, and even the initial build are coming straight from operating cash? No, they're financing it.
If a team didn't have the operating cash to finance payroll, they'd borrow to do so.
most recent I can see is 750m and yes that is low for an owner. Mike Brown is one of the "poorest" owners and I wonder how he will be able to afford extending Burrow. Browns net worth is 2b
airconteka
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You gotta feel for these poor bastards
rmcjacket23
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I'll gladly be wrong, but I have doubts about this whole "poorer teams can't afford to put money in escrow for large extensions" stuff. It's not like these franchises don't have loans to finance plenty of things. If they require a large cash infusion for anything, they can go and get it from any of like thousands of banks that would lend them money. I want to see this actually play out before I believe its actually an issue. And so far, I've not heard of a single franchise refusing to pay a player because "we can't afford the cash escrow".
If the argument is that some Owners may just not want to pay that much to players so they can keep higher profits for themselves, I'd say that's possible, BUT, in that case, I'd say its more likely they just pay Burrow whatever and then cut other players, spend less in FA, etc. It's not like paying Burrow dramatically increases your overall payroll, since it has both a ceiling and a floor anyway. It's just a reallocation of your existing payroll towards a single player.
I don't disagree with this, but for me it's not necessarily a 'poor' owner, but when you add in Mike Brown and him historically being a cheap owner. Yes, he's paid players before, but nothing like Burrow is going to be paid. However, you are probably right that they would just cut others and keep Burrow. Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the coming years and if it becomes a problem. Probably won't.
Mark Davis has already traded Mack because he couldn't pay them.
airconteka
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Mods, this man's account has been hacked.
rmcjacket23
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Are we really sure that Mark Davis traded Khalil Mack because he didn't have the cash flow to pay him? Like I've not seen that confirmed by anybody. I've seen a bunch of conjecture reports, but I've also seen about a half dozen explanations for it. Trading him because of cap issues or because he's a descending player makes plenty of sense.
Doesn't seem to be a "couldn't" situation. Seems to be a "wouldn't" situation. As in if I'm paying top dollar to my QB, which they were at the time, I'm not also going to pay top dollar to a pass rusher. From a cap perspective, they could have. From a business owner who wants to be as profitable as he can be perspective, maybe that doesn't make sense.
As for Burrow, they're paying Burrow. What happens after that I don't know. Maybe they don't pay Chase. It's pretty clear they're playing hard ball with Bates, who I think is one of the premier safeties in the league. I think, for me, its pretty clear that the overwhelming majority of the time, the team is going to pay the franchise QB whatever it is, and if they're cheap, they just won't pay barely anybody else. It's not that they can't, it that they won't.
It was widely reported at the time that the Raiders didn't have the cash flow for a contract that large. They spent almost two years guaranteeing base salaries instead of giving signing bonuses for that reason - even to the little piddly contracts.
drjohnnyfever
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I just have the feeling Lamar intends to make 50M/yr over whatever duration of a contract might be all guaranteed. I think he might be fixated on 5 years +. I wouldn't do that as an owner. I think he's going to be playing for another team in a couple years.
BoredMarine13
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Long read but a good one that outlines Lamar getting everything he deserves from that Ravens while avoiding a fully guaranteed deal Bisciotti is against.
“$230 million contract the Browns gave quarterback Deshaun Watson in connection with his March trade from the Texans is a sticking point in the negotiations. Jackson wants his deal fully guaranteed, which is a rarity in the NFL, while the Ravens aren't interested in helping to normalize those kind of contracts”
www.cbssports.com
“$230 million contract the Browns gave quarterback Deshaun Watson in connection with his March trade from the Texans is a sticking point in the negotiations. Jackson wants his deal fully guaranteed, which is a rarity in the NFL, while the Ravens aren't interested in helping to normalize those kind of contracts”
Agent's Take: The type of contract that isn't fully guaranteed Lamar Jackson should consider from Ravens
If Jackson does agree to a non-guaranteed deal, he should make sure his demands in nearly every other important aspect of the contract are met
www.cbssports.com
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
I still think he's looking for highest yearly and longer than Watson. Ravens aren't going to go for that. So 48M+ over 6+ is probably where he is. Sorry, no matter how good he is, or what a great guy he might be, there's no way that kind of deal doesn't cripple a team. Even with the cap going up... Let him take us to a SB and be MVP this year and then we can trade him for 20 years of first round picks from the Skins.
BoredMarine13
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I’m not sure about the length. I think he would be fine with a four or five year deal. Gives him another chance to cash in while still relatively young. I just think it’s come down to total guarantees, Lamar wants to avoid the normal fluff and BS involved in these contracts. Five year, 250 mil fully guaranteed gets it done in my mind
Tank
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Maybe the Browns will give him that deal, no one else.
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
idk. He wants top billing in at least one of the two components, but probably both. We wouldn't be discussing it if it weren't for the f@cking Brownies - who I think did it with purpose to complicate our and the Bengals' ability to sign franchise QB's. Prior to Watson, every year or so a top QB got the new bar setting deal. Mahomes' is more realistic to what we think Lamar should probably get, but when Mahomes got his there were still many here - me included - who thought we would never do something like that. If we'd have known then what we know now. But then I always say, present money is cheap. He's not going to get cheaper next year. But I digress.
He might take 50M/yr for 3 years, but that is still dumb for us right now. Even franchised for next year and the year after, his pay would be less than 50M/yr and we'd have to pay the 150M completely within the contract length, so it's a full hit every year for the length of the contract. I'm sure the Ravens wanna get something done, but, personally, I don't see a way other than a longer contract where the team can spread the guarantee over a slightly longer contract. I think he gets traded after next year. But they could choose to do it after this year to avoid losing the capital due to an injury. This year's draft could tell the story.
cdp
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Why all of a sudden is there a rush for the Ravens to sign him to a longterm deal?
If there's no agreement once his deadline has passed, we can still enter negotiations next offseason and tag him.
Why do I get the impression that some of you are willing to get him traded? Even if we got multiple 1sts, there's no guarantee we'd find an adequate replacement. AFC is loaded.
If there's no agreement once his deadline has passed, we can still enter negotiations next offseason and tag him.
Why do I get the impression that some of you are willing to get him traded? Even if we got multiple 1sts, there's no guarantee we'd find an adequate replacement. AFC is loaded.
BoredMarine13
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There’s no rush , just Lamar’s deadline and the media knows it can make a big stink of it. The only justification for extending him now would be clearing cap room this year and of course the sooner you sign an ascending player the cheaper he will be.
But yea I see no reason why we couldn’t get this done next off season or even the following one post tag