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Lamar Jackson

Deebo813 said:
I mean if we not willing to pay, seems like he trying to get the most he can right? Guess he gotta prove why he wants what he wants…… now is he just being greedy? Idk lol
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with an agent there's an incentive to get a deal done asap because the agent also has an incentive to get the deal done - lamar has the agency to be able to make those decisions on timings and risk himself - if he loses out on money he's not at risk of being fired for being a shit agent so can take some of that risk - it must be acknowledged that the 2 deals that have been done since Watson had agents do them and both didn't get anywhere near changing the status quo re: guaranteed money

i think even if lamar's not going for fully guaranteed (and we have no idea what he's asking for except that he rejected an offer similar to kyler murrays months ago), he'd be well within his rights to be asking for (and expecting to get) 200m guaranteed over a 5 year deal and a 50m aav
 
Happy football starting sunday so people can stop talking bout this shit as much. Same people that has been wishing injury on lamar are the same ones thats saying he is doing the wrong thing, but as soon as he sign a contract, its gonna be “ is he even worth it”… got dam just come out and you want the man to fail. Show your true bitch ass colors lol
 
Deebo813 said:
Agent has much more time on his hands so yea he could probably get deal done faster for sure. I dnt think he can drive his price thst much more with ravens but he can get what he is asking for by playing good this season….. also, what can an agent tell the ravens that would get him paid more that lamar hasnt already told them?
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What price are we talking about? Total money, guaranteed money, years, etc? There's different concepts here.
If Lamar went to his agent and said "I'm not taking anything less than $250M guaranteed", then yeah, his agent's useless, because the agent won't be able to make that deal at all, because the team won't give it to him.

Like I said already, look at the deals that high-end, established veterans have signed while negotiating for themselves. The guaranteed money is almost always tied to basically 1-2 years, max, it's propped up by higher than expected AAV's that the player never sees, and it's usually a longer term deal. Basically, the player usually looks like the guy that's just PERCEIVED to be the highest paid instead of actually being the highest paid. They're different.

And without knowing what he's asking for, which nobody does, playing good may not be anywhere close to good enough to get what he's asking for.
 
Deebo813 said:
Happy football starting sunday so people can stop talking bout this shit as much. Same people that has been wishing injury on lamar are the same ones thats saying he is doing the wrong thing, but as soon as he sign a contract, its gonna be “ is he even worth it”… got dam just come out and you want the man to fail. Show your true bitch ass colors lol
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Anybody wishing injury on, or hoping for LJ to do bad aren’t fans of the Ravens so who gives a shit about them. lol

As a fan you gotta trust your team’s FO will do what’s best for the team. While nobody is perfect, I like my team’s FO. Right player, right price.
 
Tank said:
Anybody wishing injury on, or hoping for LJ to do bad aren’t fans of the Ravens so who gives a shit about them. lol

As a fan you gotta trust your team’s FO will do what’s best for the team. While nobody is perfect, I like my team’s FO.
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Not fans… sports media
 
Deebo813 said:
Reality is, he gonna get paid regardless so why not try to get as most as you can?
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I’m not mad at Lamar for the crazy asking price. I honestly feel indifferent because only one of two things can really happen

1. We sign him to a stupid extension and jeopardize our ability to put a quality team on the field BUT we also have a Qb good enough to carry a below average team. As long as he is healthy we will likely be competitive
2. He plays out one or two years and then we trade him for a haul. Which gives one of the best FO in the league a chance to shine even more all while have a bunch of cap space to bring in FAs.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
1. We sign him to a stupid extension and jeopardize our ability to put a quality team on the field BUT we also have a Qb good enough to carry a below average team. As long as he is healthy we will likely be competitive
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or 3. we sign him to a top of the market extension that resets the market and within a couple of years is no longer an outlier contract and becomes less and less "stupid" with every passing month
 
rossihunter2 said:
or 3. we sign him to a top of the market extension that resets the market and within a couple of years is no longer an outlier contract and becomes less and less "stupid" with every passing month
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So you would pay him 5 years and X amount of dollars greater than what Watson got? That’s top of the market deal and a bad one.
 
rossihunter2 said:
or 3. we sign him to a top of the market extension that resets the market and within a couple of years is no longer an outlier contract and becomes less and less "stupid" with every passing month
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While I agree with this, a) that's on the player, because he can probably opt for a shorter deal that constantly requires resetting (i.e. the Kirk Cousins effect) and b) there's no logic behind a team signing a player to an extension that's based on perceived market value 3-4 years later.

Honestly if Lamar came out and said "hey I only want to do like 2-3 year deals at a time", so that he can perpetually reset to market value, I'm fine with that. I don't think the FO will like it, but I think they'll do it anyway.

But if Lamar is as smart as he seems, he'll also know that the shorter the deal, the less cap flexibility there is, and therefore, the less likely it is that the "talent" around improves dramatically outside of the draft. If people want to see how "real" the salary cap is, start signing all your players to max, fully guaranteed, 2-3 year deals. I bet you'll see how little wiggle room there is then.

And for all I know, length may be a sticking point too. I'm sure the Ravens want long, and I'm sure Lamar wants shorter or middle.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
So you would pay him 5 years and X amount of dollars greater than what Watson got? That’s top of the market deal and a bad one.
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i mean id give him 5/250 - the only thing that makes that remotely challenging is later year guaranteed money but as long as it doesnt backload like crazy the cap hits can be somewhat controlled - especially depending on the structure of the guarantees
 
rmcjacket23 said:
While I agree with this, a) that's on the player, because he can probably opt for a shorter deal that constantly requires resetting (i.e. the Kirk Cousins effect) and b) there's no logic behind a team signing a player to an extension that's based on perceived market value 3-4 years later.
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right but im not suggesting they're paying him more than market value - what he inevitably gets paid by the ravens is likely going to be less than what he would get on the open market anyway - just pointing out that there's going to be comfort in the fact that whatever deal does get done isnt going to look so silly 3-4 years later
 
rossihunter2 said:
right but im not suggesting they're paying him more than market value - what he inevitably gets paid by the ravens is likely going to be less than what he would get on the open market anyway - just pointing out that there's going to be comfort in the fact that whatever deal does get done isnt going to look so silly 3-4 years later
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Well it will if his performance drops off, or if he gets hurt. Or, fair or unfair to him, if you're paying $50M for a QB who goes 9-8 every year.

Ronnie Stanley's deal still isn't crazy stupid either. Yet he's criticized for it...
 
We boutta Franchise tag Lamar, let him seek a trade and get a haul.

Arch Manning SzN boys..
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RavensMania said:
@Ellicottraven You obviously didn't have any influence on Lamar or else he would have a contract by now!

You might have to relinquish your fatherly rights
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I'm just distraught at this point @RavensMania. As melancholy as a spurned father can get, you see. I am dejected, despondent, and disconsolate. I feel like an utter failure as a devoted father. It is like I am reaching out to him and his mother makes him spit on my outstretched hand.
 
Ellicottraven said:
I'm just distraught at this point @RavensMania. As melancholy as a spurned father can get, you see. I am dejected, despondent, and disconsolate. I feel like an utter failure as a devoted father. It is like I am reaching out to him and his mother makes him spit on my outstretched hand.
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well if he ends up getting the deal he wants that spit will turn to gold.
 
I think the fact that no deal was done works to the Ravens organization's advantage.

Let Lamar show he can take us to a Super Bowl victory. He has Allen, Mahomes ,Herbert,Wilson, etc. in his way. Not as easy
as on the NFC side.
 
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