Lamar Jackson

[rossihunter2]

If all of this is true, it's unfortunate but a byproduct of Lamar not having an agent. I get saving the money and having a team you trust, but anyone with half a brain can tell the whole contract situation has been weighing on him. Hasn't been playing with the youthful exuberance that he had early in his career. While I don't blame him for trying to get every penny he can, I think he's been given some bad advice. And it's leading to bad optics, especially with things like this. May be true or may not be true, but it's not a good look and he's the one paying the price for that right now.

i think that's another reason why it's in the ravens best interests to get this done asap - because lamar's clearly better when he's not worrying about his health and his future and his contract - give him that long-term security and you give him that clarity of thought and stop him second-guessing every decision he makes both on and off the field

reasons to do the deal ASAP:
- Lamar's going to play better
- We're able to structure a long-term deal in a way that allows us to put a quality team around him this offseason in a way that we can't if he's on the tag
- You save the tag for another player... like Roquan if he remains unsigned and so creates extra flexibility
- It clarifies your team-building both short and long-term - through the draft and other avenues - and takes you out of this roster building limbo space we're about to potentially enter

i wouldnt say those reasons are at critical mass - but the longer it goes on, the more you also can add: "the longer you wait, the less leverage you have and the more expensive it gets" to the list

 

[Tank]

If all of this is true, it's unfortunate but a byproduct of Lamar not having an agent. I get saving the money and having a team you trust, but anyone with half a brain can tell the whole contract situation has been weighing on him. Hasn't been playing with the youthful exuberance that he had early in his career. While I don't blame him for trying to get every penny he can, I think he's been given some bad advice. And it's leading to bad optics, especially with things like this. May be true or may not be true, but it's not a good look and he's the one paying the price for that right now.

Exactly what many said early on, there’s no way not having an agent isn’t going to be a distraction and affect his play. Just poor advice and a dumb move.

 

[OURavensFan]

I hate this, someone talk me off the ledge

 

[Tank]

i think that's another reason why it's in the ravens best interests to get this done asap - because lamar's clearly better when he's not worrying about his health and his future and his contract - give him that long-term security and you give him that clarity of thought and stop him second-guessing every decision he makes both on and off the field

reasons to do the deal ASAP:
- Lamar's going to play better
- We're able to structure a long-term deal in a way that allows us to put a quality team around him this offseason in a way that we can't if he's on the tag
- You save the tag for another player... like Roquan if he remains unsigned and so creates extra flexibility
- It clarifies your team-building both short and long-term - through the draft and other avenues - and takes you out of this roster building limbo space we're about to potentially enter

i wouldnt say those reasons are at critical mass - but the longer it goes on, the more you also can add: "the longer you wait, the less leverage you have and the more expensive it gets" to the list

I’m sure they have worked hard to make it happen, no good reason to think the FO hasn’t been operating in good faith and offering top dollar. But given Lamar’s inconsistency and injuries I’m not so sure the leverage in negotiations move his way the longer it goes.

 

[Simba]

I’m sure they have worked hard to make it happen, no good reason to think the FO hasn’t been operating in good faith and offering top dollar. But given Lamar’s inconsistency and injuries I’m not so sure the leverage in negotiations move his way the longer it goes.

I think both sides were probably operating in good faith and looking out for themselves. It's always great to get it done but both sides had some leeway. With the FT coming up, that goes away for both sides really. I still think there's a deal out there that isn't fully guaranteed that would get something done today if it was offered, but those conversations will wait until after the season and then we'll be back in the same boat again, but with both sides probably a little more motivated.

 

[Tank]

This kind of drama is exactly what a team doesn’t want heading into the tournament. sucks

 

[Simba]

This kind of drama is exactly what a team doesn’t want heading into the tournament. sucks

I don't think they're overly worried about this right now. It's local media talking and not really a distraction.

Bigger concern is getting Lamar back on the field.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

Why would he bypass treatment from a top notch NFL staff? I get he is upset withEDC but the Ravens medical staff is probably close to the best money can buy. All in on his recovery efforts. Seems odd

If those reports are true , it’s a no brainer Lamar needs to go this off season. Questionable decision making and leadership qualities we don’t need. Buuuut i have a feeling it’s not legit

If treatment is coming from the guy Derek Wolfe has called out... Maybe it's not just smoke about players being less than enthusiastic about him. Perhaps a little fire there. If players are using their own rehab personnel, not reporting what they're doing, and not showing up for team treatment and or conditionin - that's a problem.

Who knows tho. Could all be click bait as someone said.

 

[Simba]

If treatment is coming from the guy Derek Wolfe has called out... Maybe it's not just smoke about players being less than enthusiastic about him. Perhaps a little fire there. If players are using their own rehab personnel, not reporting what they're doing, and not showing up for team treatment and or conditionin - that's a problem.

Who knows tho. Could all be click bait as someone said.

Strength and conditioning vs. medical treatment teams are very different.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

I think @29BmoreBird22 mentioned he was.

Yes, I will be there.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

Strength and conditioning vs. medical treatment teams are very different.

True enough. Something is fishy in Tunatown. A sprained MCL was the original diagnosis. No degree of sprain or anything iirc. Maybe he's done and they know it and don't want to say it. But if as you say, Simba, it's the actual medical treatment that he's not doing and not the "treatment" from the team as in strength and conditioning from the team in preparation for return that's a big problem on his end.

 

[rossihunter2]

Strength and conditioning vs. medical treatment teams are very different.

yeah they just brought in a completely new medical training team who's speciality last year and historically has been in recovery

and if the players thought steve saunders was an issue then he'd be long gone

 

[Sandtown]

I aint worried about none of this. I'm gonna go watch Alchemy and Souls while chillien in my pajamas

 

[BoredMarine13]

I aint worried about none of this. I'm gonna go watch Alchemy and Souls while chillien in my pajamas

Korean tv at its finest

 

[Nurps]

Korean tv at its finest

The Koreans (tv/movie wise) are more than capable of scaring the shit out of me and I love them for it.

 

[OURavensFan]

This is so unreal frustrating, this team could actually make a run if Lamar is healthy

 

[RavensMania]

True enough. Something is fishy in Tunatown. A sprained MCL was the original diagnosis. No degree of sprain or anything iirc. Maybe he's done and they know it and don't want to say it. But if as you say, Simba, it's the actual medical treatment that he's not doing and not the "treatment" from the team as in strength and conditioning from the team in preparation for return that's a big problem on his end.

a sprained PCL, not MCL.

 

[OURavensFan]

I wish they’d just give reassurance like he’ll be back for the playoffs but we don’t want to rush him for the regular season if he’s not ready. You can’t tell me that’s too much info for our opponents. Oh no they may have game planned for Huntley, our division rivals!

 

[redrum52]

Guys. I know none of you personally, but, I must admit I love you all for no fucking reason. Weird world we live in.

People tend to get emotional around the holidays.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

a sprained PCL, not MCL.

So just looking into the injury. Team has stuck to 2-3 weeks, I'm pretty sure, since the beginning. That's a 10-14 day recovery. But the interesting part is the last line here - - -

Recovery from posterior cruciate ligament (PCL) injury​

Recovery from a PCL sprain or tear depends on the severity of the injury. Mild (Grade 1) sprains take ten days to two weeks to heal. Moderate (Grade 2) sprains take three to four weeks to fully recover.


Athletes should work closely with their physician to determine when to return to their sport. Most athletes can return to their sport within eight weeks as long as there are no other complications associated with the injury.

PCL

Just a minor deviation or "other complication" would throw a real wrench into the whole initial 2-3 weeks. But if return to sport is true then I feel mislead.