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Lamar Jackson

SaltyDog said:
RG3 was an injury machine. Multiple concussions, ankle injury, multiple knee injuries. It was reported that when he injured his knee the first time, he went back in the game without the team doctors permission and injured it further. Which required major surgery during the off season. Not very smart.
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Lamar is different, I agree
 
If the ravens wanted to ask this of Lamar then they should’ve offered him more guaranteed money and locked him up, period. They didn’t pay him what he asked when other teams would have, they have no right to ask Lamar to risk his future when they don’t hold the rights to it.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I would rather see Lamar not suit up and fucking get traded and go dominate elsewhere, than see him try to play with this scrub ass team on an injured knee and reinjure it make it a career defining injury
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I don’t disagree. He is in control of his situation. He has the right to do what he thinks is best for him.
 


Shannon and Skip have had this as one of their stories for weeks now. Shannon and Skip actually seem to agree that Lamar is hanging out the team, because he feels the team hung him out by not giving him the contract he wanted. If this is the case, this is an impasse that I don't see being resolved other that paying him what he wants and I just don't see that happening.
 
I’m seeing stuff like people saying Lamar should play with a partially torn PCL because of playing on a torn MCL. These are not the same thing and have different purposes in the anatomy of the knee ligaments. ACL and PCL are ligaments that relate directly to each other along with the LCL and MCL which are more related to each other than the former PCL and ACL. Sure you could put a brace on it but then what if he gets targeted at that knee and you damn well know some Bengals guy is going to go for that knee man. I’m not a Lamar homer here but I think both the Ravens and Lamar are playing this smart because:

1. If he’s your QB you don’t want him injured next season
2. If he’s not your QB and you want to trade him you don’t injure him
3. If you’re Lamar without a long term contract you must be crazy playing on that unless you get a little further

We almost beat the Bengals if not for some stupid stuff. I think Lamar plays if we make the AFCCG.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I would rather see Lamar not suit up and fucking get traded and go dominate elsewhere, than see him try to play with this scrub ass team on an injured knee and reinjure it make it a career defining injury
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exactly
 
SaltyDog said:
RG3 was an injury machine. Multiple concussions, ankle injury, multiple knee injuries. It was reported that when he injured his knee the first time, he went back in the game without the team doctors permission and injured it further. Which required major surgery during the off season. Not very smart.
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the first year he had 1 concussion, had the LCL injury where he missed one game and than was playing hobbled the next few games. It was obvious he shouldn't be playing than tears his acl in the playoffs and that was pretty much it. It ruined his entire career.

He did go back in the game for 1 play without doctors permission, but than was pulled immediately after that. Being a Ravens fan you should remember this was on the final drive of the game. The TD put the skins in OT and then they won the toss and had a long kickoff return that put them right into fg range.
 
Thezone27 said:
Would anyone here jump off our Bandwagon if Lamar left? Because it certainly seems like it.
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Nope. As frustrated as I get about some stuff with this team, it's always exciting to see how they are going to respond to whatever change is going on. I'm just as excited to see what the FO could do with the haul of draft picks they'd get from trading Lamar as I am to see what Lamar might do for this club if he gets paid.

I only thought there was a slim chance that Lamar would ever wind up as the long term QB of this team because of the pay level, but once the Deshaun Jackson deal happened, for me, it was doomed. But I'm still excited about this team.
 
Thezone27 said:
Would anyone here jump off our Bandwagon if Lamar left? Because it certainly seems like it.
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I would look at the Ravens organization differently. The same way I am looking at some of the "fans" of the Ravens that play into most of the media narratives of their own QB. The fans that want a franchise QB who can't go (knowing what we know about Lamar and how competitive he is, does it make sense for him not to want to play if he COULD?) to risk injury and potentially put is in a hole for years to come.

I have been a fan since 2003 and for years I have always said how smart of an organization ours was/is. I know what bad QB play looks like.

One would think we would want to protect this guy as much as possible on the field. One WOULD think.
 
RavensMania said:
the first year he had 1 concussion, had the LCL injury where he missed one game and than was playing hobbled the next few games. It was obvious he shouldn't be playing than tears his acl in the playoffs and that was pretty much it. It ruined his entire career.

He did go back in the game for 1 play without doctors permission, but than was pulled immediately after that. Being a Ravens fan you should remember this was on the final drive of the game. The TD put the skins in OT and then they won the toss and had a long kickoff return that put them right into fg range.
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Wasn’t it Captain Kirk that came in on that final TD drive?
 
Deebo813 said:
He cant keep that to himself. No way would he able to go elsewhere without another team finding out how bad his injury is..i think he has handled his current situation perfectly. What else could he have done? He literally has done all the things a stand up guy would do.. played or atleast tried to play whole season even when he didnt like the contract he was offered and was honest about his injury.. idk what else he couldve dne tbh.
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That's understandable but I disagree. Players keep in depth knowledge about their injury to themselves all the time. Most are probably instructed by their agent to keep things private especially if the injury isn't majorly serious and the player has a good chance to heal from his injury. Free agency isn't tomorrow and if Lamar Jackson has been given advice that he can heal from his injury on his own with just rehab then why announce the indepth reason why he not playing? He didn't have to really go in depth about his injury on his Twitter page because truthfully now teams that may be interested in him know he got a borderline grade 3 PCL Sprain that for some reason he hasn't received surgery on yet.

If that same injury is something he realistic can recover from on his own then tell me how would a team really know in depth about it by the time free agency is official? That's really alot of time if not enough time for him to rehab and recover if indeed surgery isn't needed. I'm not doctor or agent but I think Lamar Jackson should have kept that information to himself. I can understand maybe he cares about his image or character when alot of us was expecting him to play tomorrow especially after seeing him out there on the sidelines during Ravens home games with his shades on, gold chain out, smiling and laughing like we used to be seeing him but he should have kept that to himself.
 
gtalk12 said:
I would look at the Ravens organization differently. The same way I am looking at some of the "fans" of the Ravens that play into most of the media narratives of their own QB. The fans that want a franchise QB who can't go (knowing what we know about Lamar and how competitive he is, does it make sense for him not to want to play if he COULD?) to risk injury and potentially put is in a hole for years to come.

I have been a fan since 2003 and for years I have always said how smart of an organization ours was/is. I know what bad QB play looks like.

One would think we would want to protect this guy as much as possible on the field. One WOULD think.
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It's just real intriguing to me how some stances on the current team situation is different from previous ones. The organization totally mismanaged his rookie contract, to me. I'll leave it at that. Like you said, I'll look at the team a little sideways, but it is what it is.
 
Grim said:
I’m seeing stuff like people saying Lamar should play with a partially torn PCL because of playing on a torn MCL. These are not the same thing and have different purposes in the anatomy of the knee ligaments. ACL and PCL are ligaments that relate directly to each other along with the LCL and MCL which are more related to each other than the former PCL and ACL. Sure you could put a brace on it but then what if he gets targeted at that knee and you damn well know some Bengals guy is going to go for that knee man. I’m not a Lamar homer here but I think both the Ravens and Lamar are playing this smart because:

1. If he’s your QB you don’t want him injured next season
2. If he’s not your QB and you want to trade him you don’t injure him
3. If you’re Lamar without a long term contract you must be crazy playing on that unless you get a little further

We almost beat the Bengals if not for some stupid stuff. I think Lamar plays if we make the AFCCG.
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The real question is does anyone think the sides are two warships firing volleys at one another? If they are, nothing matters, it's done. If they are not two warships and this is all merely semantics or misinterpretation of feelings thru social media and press, a sit down will solve it - hopefully. The severity of the injury was always the real issue. Both sides probably wanted to delay any decision. But that it became this convoluted game of "we (the team) need to tell fans and the press something," into these negative, veiled accusations between Lamar and the team thru JH - either because of the press or because it passed thru commentary - speaks to the dysfunction.

All of your points are accurate. Neither side would benefit from anything less than those expectations. And that was probably the plan by both sides until somebody got rubbed the wrong way by something that appeared in the media.
 
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