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Lamar Jackson

UPennChem said:
But if that's true, then why are the Ravens as are being reported, pinching every penny? Why hasn't Lamar already understood he has 0 market whatsoever and already resigned as to not be under market value?
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Because furthering the idea that a cap conscious team like the Ravens as the villain in this is low-hanging fruit for idiots in the press... They've only recently even begun to consider that Lamar hasn't completed the last two seasons as a potential red flag for teams not showing the anticipated interest. It's been conspiracy theories so far, collusion among owners to walk back guaranteed contracts, NFLPA meddling... no one really knows, but those are fun to talk about and both add fuel to the fire.

I don't accept any Ravens as villain arguments. I also don't think there is much in the Lamar is the villain either argument either. I think you have an impasse. And I think that impasse extends to most teams in the league if ultimately Lamar's demand is better numbers than the only totally guaranteed contract in the league.
 
Tank said:
IDK, you think he’s happy? I wouldn’t want to go to bed every night thinking about this shiz, especially when I don’t need to.

I think there’s 17 players out of around 2,000 that don’t have an agent, and none have ever tried to do a deal the size of Lamar’s. No question that plays into teams not wanting to get near him, along with the fully guaranteed fantasy someone has sold him, and all of the media crap. Teams don’t want that, including the Ravens.

Gotta hope someone wakes him up, like soon.
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He went to future concert last night in miami, he be ight. Probably a tiring situation though so yea i can really agree with you here.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
lol in what "parts"? You don't think Lamar is pocket watching? lol ain't a day that goes by where he's not.

The point is he could easily be wealthier today than he is. He could have signed a lucrative extension a year or two ago, which would have paid him a lot more $ than he made last year and will likely make this sure. That's how he could be wealthier.

ID is to be first to get the big $, not last. Those who get it first get their second earlier, and their third, etc.
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Him wanting a bigger payday is cool.. its just the way you worded it. Like i doubt he is looking back on how much allen has made on his rookie deal thinking that he has to make up for that too so he can bridge the gap
 
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marklar said:
I see a lot of talk about Jackson being some kind of pawn of the NFLPA, and I *really* don't buy that.

Looking at Jackson's career and the part of his personality we see, the guy seems like someone who walks his own path and (for both good and bad) doesn't change his mind when he's decided on something. Such as the decision to not have an agent, the vaccine stuff, refusing to work out as a WR before the draft.
Therefore, I don't see that the NFLPA would fill his head with stuff that he didn't already belive. Sure, they're cheerleaders since their interest align in this case, but he's not someone who is easily lead in any direction.
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they arent used to seeing people of good character traits stand on business.. they want him to take whatever they give because it shouldnt matter since he gonna be a millionaire regardless of his deal…
 
Willbacker said:
https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/...kson-contract-extension-fully-guranteed-money


"This is a pivotal moment because right behind Lamar as talented as he is think about the number of quaterbacks coming up right behind him. So literally the weight of whether we move forward on guaranteed contracts is now. You've got the Watson contract that could be bookended Lamar's contract"............Quote from Demorice Smith.

Pawn?
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Maybe we put different meaning to that word... To me, that's the PA cheerleading. My point is "do you, based on what we know of Jackson's personality, think he would act differently with or without the PA?"
To me, that's a clear no.
 
marklar said:
Looking at Jackson's career and the part of his personality we see, the guy seems like someone who walks his own path and (for both good and bad) doesn't change his mind when he's decided on something. Such as the decision to not have an agent, the vaccine stuff, refusing to work out as a WR before the draft.
Therefore, I don't see that the NFLPA would fill his head with stuff that he didn't already belive. Sure, they're cheerleaders since their interest align in this case, but he's not someone who is easily lead in any direction.
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Honestly I don't think we really know what's going on but it is interesting that he has allowed The NFLPA to get involved this much in his contract negotiations with The Ravens for a guy that's deemed to walk his own path. Lamar Jackson isn't the only player that doesn't have a agent. Why haven't we heard The NFLPA getting involved with others players that don't have a agent in asking for a fully guarantee contract? If they are for the betterment in regards to NFL players then they definitely should have reached out and instructed for all NFL players that are free agents to accept nothing less than a fully guarantee contract. They also should have reached out to the recent NFL MVP and super winning quarterback Patrick Mahomes and instruct him to not step one foot on the football field unless The Chiefs guarantee the rest of his contract is fully guaranteed going forward.

It's quite possible that they did do all of that but every player knows that would have been a risk because the free agent market is like the stock market which means yesterdays price is not today's price. In the stock market the prices goes up and then it also comes down and sometimes it's real hot and then there's moments when it's real cold. That's exactly what the free agent market is but lets' look at another player that we all are fully familiar with. Orlando Brown Jr legit felt the need to make a statement that Lamar Jackson is worth a fully guarantee contract but he is a player just like Lamar Jackson so why didn't he take the same stance as LJ did ? Is this fully guarantee contract only limited to quarterbacks especially star quarterbacks? If not then I think it's interesting that a player just like Lamar Jackson was willing to accept less than a fully guarantee contract but felt the need to encourage L.J to stand strong in his fight for his contract demands. Maybe Brown Jr was just taking a stand for his guy/bro but it doesn't change the fact that he said that after accepting a 4 year 64 million dollar contract that was not fully guaranteed when the market was still some what hot.

I'm not saying LJ isn't worth a fully guaranteed contract but his best season was in 2019 and he hasn't been able to finish a season in the past two years. There's just not going to be many teams running to give him what he wants just base off that alone but it is what its. Hopefully he gets what he wants eventually but it's quite possible he just wasting his time.
 
UPennChem said:
So here's a link to to some stats. I'll give you one and then qualify it to be fair.

Josh Allen threw more RZ interceptions last year than any QB has in any year over the entire course of QB play since he's been in the league.

That being said, that was by far his worst year and had one year that was completely clean of them.

I watched a lot of Bills games last year and he was really bad in the RZ. Had multiple dropped interceptions and fumbles that he got away with.

So there's definitely some recency bias here. That being said, the only thing I want to say confidently is that it's obvious he's not in contention for best QB in the league.

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To me the debate about the best in the league is over: it’s Mahomes. Now when talking about second best you can talk about Burrow, Allen, and Herbert. You can also ask things such as: was Hurts a blip or a trend last year, and the inverse for Rodgers (he has been MVP 2/3 years after all), and will Lawrence continue to rise?

I am not putting any other QB even in the conversation about belonging in that tier of potentially 2nd best. The rest all have too many question marks.
 
Deebo813 said:
they arent used to seeing people of good character traits stand on business.. they want him to take whatever they give because it shouldnt matter since he gonna be a millionaire regardless of his deal…
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Naw! Everything is negotiable! Hopefully, both sides can be happy with a deal so we can lock Lamar up! Let's get it done please! :cool:
 
As long as Lamar is wearing that chain I won't look into it


There is a video of someone filming him during a concert asking him if he is staying and it sounded like he said "it's happening"

That's me going full SpeculationLord Jr
 
gtalk12 said:
As long as Lamar is wearing that chain I won't look into it


There is a video of someone filming him during a concert asking him if he is staying and it sounded like he said "it's happening"

That's me going full SpeculationLord Jr
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Lamar then went out of his way to make it known that he had no idea what that guy was saying because it was loud lol. Please lord, let us just wake up from this nightmare
 

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marklar said:
Maybe we put different meaning to that word... To me, that's the PA cheerleading. My point is "do you, based on what we know of Jackson's personality, think he would act differently with or without the PA?"
To me, that's a clear no.
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He is being advised by the NFLPA and they have a very strong influence. They're pushing him hard man. It's more than cheerleading. Cheerleading happens on the sidelines don't it?
 
Willbacker said:
I think so too and if he does it's not happening before the draft.
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It's either the draft that he's traded or the whole potential scenario of him not arriving until camp or later to do anything with the team plays out. Maybe he'll smarten up in the meantime and realize that he'll make more money with the deal we offered than he will riding the NEFT for this season and next. I really don't care one way or the other.

My worry is that the idea of "commitment" rears it's head again in December with a 9-4 record, Playoffs looming, when he's playing at less than 100%, and he decides he can't play. I am still suspect on his "commitment" to the team after this past year - notice there has been no mention of his PCL in any of this. I mean, I don't want to believe that he didn't compete when he could have, but if that is the reality - as Keyshawn Johnson and Skip Bayless and even Shannon Sharpe have questioned - there's no saying that shit don't happen again and cripple a really good team again.

If that is the perception of the Ravens, they need to just cut bait at the first realistic opportunity.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
It's either the draft that he's traded or the whole potential scenario of him not arriving until camp or later to do anything with the team plays out. Maybe he'll smarten up in the meantime and realize that he'll make more money with the deal we offered than he will riding the NEFT for this season and next. I really don't care one way or the other.

My worry is that the idea of "commitment" rears it's head again in December with a 9-4 record, Playoffs looming, when he's playing at less than 100%, and he decides he can't play. I am still suspect on his "commitment" to the team after this past year - notice there has been no mention of his PCL in any of this. I mean, I don't want to believe that he didn't compete when he could have, but if that is the reality - as Keyshawn Johnson and Skip Bayless and even Shannon Sharpe have questioned - there's no saying that shit don't happen again and cripple a really good team again.

If that is the perception of the Ravens, they need to just cut bait at the first realistic opportunity.
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Yeah, a season on the tag leaves you to wonder if he goes 100%, or if he lays out if he bruises his toe. Don’t need another year of uncertainty.
 
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