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The 2023 Offseason Thread

rmcjacket23 said:
We decided we liked Roquan better. I think Roquan is >>> Queen, whereas Grubbs and Yanda were closer in skill/talent, but still. Queen's price tag also figures to be considerably less than Roquan's.

Regardless, keeping both is a major roster blunder.
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In theory, I agree with you. Part of the reason Roquan is getting the big bucks is that he enables you to go cheap at the other ILB spot, but practically, the most we're likely to get for Queen is a 2nd. If the Ravens get another good year out of him alongside Roquan, they'd likely get a 3rd round comp pick for him anyway.

Is a 2nd now better than a year of good ILB play plus a 3rd? Possibly, but it's not a major blunder either way.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
In theory, I agree with you. Part of the reason Roquan is getting the big bucks is that he enables you to go cheap at the other ILB spot, but practically, the most we're likely to get for Queen is a 2nd. If the Ravens get another good year out of him alongside Roquan, they'd likely get a 3rd round comp pick for him anyway.

Is a 2nd now better than a year of good ILB play plus a 3rd? Possibly, but it's not a major blunder either way.
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Well that third comp is muddied by the FA process so if we can steal a 2nd for PQ then you might need to pounce, but a 2 for queen feels like a reach to me
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Well that third comp is muddied by the FA process so if we can steal a 2nd for PQ then you might need to pounce, but a 2 for queen feels like a reach to me
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A 2 is the highest we could get, but I don't think it's completely out of the question. He looked good last season and quite a few teams are really struggling at ILB. His draft status doesn't hurt, either.

I just used that example because a 3rd makes the question too easy - you'd just keep him and get a possible/ probable 3rd anyway.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
A 2 is the highest we could get, but I don't think it's completely out of the question. He looked good last season and quite a few teams are really struggling at ILB. His draft status doesn't hurt, either.

I just used that example because a 3rd makes the question too easy - you'd just keep him and get a possible/ probable 3rd anyway.
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Right but I think the point of the 3rd comp pick is a) you won't see it until 2025, and b) you can't take it for granted. If you add a Marcus Williams, Roquan Smith, etc. level signing (like a lot of people want) in that year, you don't get a comp pick. Comp picks are for net FA's lost.

Also not convinced Queen's contract would rise to the level of a 3rd rounder. May be more like a 4th.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Well that third comp is muddied by the FA process so if we can steal a 2nd for PQ then you might need to pounce, but a 2 for queen feels like a reach to me
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I could see the Lions willing to trade their second 2nd pick for a proven linebacker. That defense needs help and they have a ton of picks. The Eagles could use a LB and might trade their really late 2nd round pick for one.

Otherwise we could possibly grab one of the Texans' third round picks since Ryan will probably be looking to add speed to that defense. It'd at least be a really early 3rd round pick.
 
RaineV1 said:
I could see the Lions willing to trade their second 2nd pick for a proven linebacker. That defense needs help and they have a ton of picks. The Eagles could use a LB and might trade their really late 2nd round pick for one.

Otherwise we could possibly grab one of the Texans' third round picks since Ryan will probably be looking to add speed to that defense. It'd at least be a really early 3rd round pick.
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I don't think we should shop him this year. Maybe next?
 
Thezone27 said:
I don't think we should shop him this year. Maybe next?
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He’ll likely be a FA next year because I have strong doubts we’re picking up a fully guaranteed option at that amount, especially for a guy that really only has a half season of good play. Too risky to get stuck with that money on the cap.
 
Simba said:
He’ll likely be a FA next year because I have strong doubts we’re picking up a fully guaranteed option at that amount, especially for a guy that really only has a half season of good play. Too risky to get stuck with that money on the cap.
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I guess... Baltimore wants to keep him, he'll probably just walk
 
Thezone27 said:
I guess... Baltimore wants to keep him, he'll probably just walk
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Think the only way we trade him is if there's a premium offer available out there (aka round 1 or 2). Anything less and I think the value of keeping him even if it's only one more year greatly outweighs not having him.
 
Simba said:
Think the only way we trade him is if there's a premium offer available out there (aka round 1 or 2). Anything less and I think the value of keeping him even if it's only one more year greatly outweighs not having him.
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definitely. Baltimore loves it's middle linebackers. It would be so ironic if Queen ends up on the jets.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Right but I think the point of the 3rd comp pick is a) you won't see it until 2025, and b) you can't take it for granted. If you add a Marcus Williams, Roquan Smith, etc. level signing (like a lot of people want) in that year, you don't get a comp pick. Comp picks are for net FA's lost.

Also not convinced Queen's contract would rise to the level of a 3rd rounder. May be more like a 4th.
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A 4th probably would be more likely, but another year like last, alongside Roquan, and Queen would have a chance of earning a 3rd.

The uncertainty of getting comp picks at all doesn't often apply in the Ravens case. They only overspent on ouside FAs in a year where they wouldn't have got decent comp picks anyway. Otherwise you can pretty much rely on them getting some. It would become a certainty with a Lamar contract in place.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
In theory, I agree with you. Part of the reason Roquan is getting the big bucks is that he enables you to go cheap at the other ILB spot, but practically, the most we're likely to get for Queen is a 2nd. If the Ravens get another good year out of him alongside Roquan, they'd likely get a 3rd round comp pick for him anyway.

Is a 2nd now better than a year of good ILB play plus a 3rd? Possibly, but it's not a major blunder either way.
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Doubt we get a third comp as it goes to the top 7-8 FA contracts. CJ Mosely just scrapped in and he got a record setting contract at the time. PQ would have to have an amazing year.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I mean what do you think Queen gets on the open market? His 5th year option I posted earlier, but I believe its ~$12.5M.
Queen's not getting close to what Roquan got. My guess would be $15-16M a year would be the high side. I think $12-13M is a pretty good spot for him on the open market.
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we are looking a couple years out so I do believe he gets 15 to 16m or more if he continues playing at this level. I believe 12.5m is a good deal, for a team with cap space to pay it.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
A 4th probably would be more likely, but another year like last, alongside Roquan, and Queen would have a chance of earning a 3rd.

The uncertainty of getting comp picks at all doesn't often apply in the Ravens case. They only overspent on ouside FAs in a year where they wouldn't have got decent comp picks anyway. Otherwise you can pretty much rely on them getting some. It would become a certainty with a Lamar contract in place.
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If we're talking 2024, I wouldn't be certain of that at all. For starters, its clear EDC doesn't value comp picks the way Ozzie did. Second, if Lamar signs an extension, I think in the first year or two, you'll see us be pretty aggressive in FA to try to win now. They're going to structure his contract so that the first year or two the cap hits are "bearable".

Also it's going to be another two years before any high priced talent is ready for extensions in most cases. You effectively have nobody from '19 or '20 draft classes that are warranting large extensions. So where you are you spending your $?
Even the '21 class doesn't look promising at the moment. I don't see Oweh or Bateman getting large $ after two years. They're still under team control for 3 more though, so you're talking 2025-2026 before they're expensive. If they ever become expensive.

So where I see it, IF they get Lamar to sign an extension, I think 2023 and 2024 will be heavier FA and possible Trade investments than we're used to seeing. That will diminish your comp pick opportunities.
 
RavensMania said:
no way did I want to pay Mosley 16m. He wasn't worth that, nor has he performed at that level with the Jets. He was a smart player and was the glue in Winks defense back in 2019, but lets not fool ourselves that he was worth 16m in 2020. BTW, I was a Mosley fan.
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It's nice that him and ro went to the pro bowl together tho.
 
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