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The 2023 Offseason Thread

JAAM said:
And what’s with the Ray hate on here? I’d love for that man to be a LBs coach and possibly work himself up
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So for me...
1. Never liked the "sermonizing". Had a very weird way of giving all the credit to God and none of the credit to his teammates, coaches, etc. who, ya know, actually did the work.
2. Obviously the extreme hypocrisy of being heavily involved in a homicide doesn't help.
3. I think as a positional coach, he'd do fine. Just don't ever think he's going to come put in 80 hour weeks 5-6 months a year for a couple hundred thousand dollars or whatever linebacker coaches in the league make.

Just not worth his time.
 
Sandtown said:
So you just gonna remember only the part when he was The Ravens wide receiver coach? Not the part when he was The Ravens tight end coach whom was pretty instrumental in Mark Andrews development. I think the last time he was The Ravens tight end coach Mark Andrews had over 1,000 receiving yards which I think was considered a stat that was the best among of all Ravens tight ends.
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Someone said if you want to be a good quarterbacks coach, first you need a good quarterback. I think that holds true for TE coaches and Mark Andrews.

Even if he is somehow uniquely able to teach TEs how to run routes and get open but very bad at teaching WRs the same things, it doesn't bode well for the offense as a whole. Even the Ravens have more WRs on the field than TEs.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Someone said if you want to be a good quarterbacks coach, first you need a good quarterback. I think that holds true for TE coaches and Mark Andrews.

Even if he is somehow uniquely able to teach TEs how to run routes and get open but very bad at teaching WRs the same things, it doesn't bode well for the offense as a whole. Even the Ravens have more WRs on the field than TEs.
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And the receivers such as Perriman, Campanaro, Lasley, Moore and Scott were just good huh ? These are the receivers he was given during his time span as The Ravens wide receiver coach. I got to think a receiver coach that wants to be good, first need a good wide receiver or receivers for that matter. Just seems like a unfair assessment of his skills as a wide receiver coach if we going go along with what you just said but it is what it is I guess.
 
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Sandtown said:
And the receivers such as Perriman, Campanaro, Lasley, Moore and Scott were just good huh ? These are the receivers he was given during his time span as The Ravens wide receiver coach. I got to think a receiver coach that wants to be good first need a good wide receiver or receivers for that matter. Just seems like a unfair assessment of his skills as a wide receiver coach if we going go along with that you just said but it is what it is I guess.
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LEAVE CAMP OUT OF THIS
 
This whole thing about is a coach good if his players or bad and vice versa is pretty dumb. A coach legitimately can't make a bad player good. They can only make players who are good enough to stay in the league better and can help rookies who belong in the league develop faster.

That being said Davante Adams could get the worst WR coach in the league next year and it simply wouldn't matter.

So when you inspect a guy like Engram you can say look at what he was working with as an excuse. Look no further than all those guys mentioned went on to either leave the league or play as WR5 for other teams. Engram gets a pass for his time as WR coach of the Ravens.

But he certainly does not get a pass for the Wisconsin offense he ran
 
What's sad is we all also said Tee and Dubb are gonna develop Duv and Proche. And look what happened there. Only one to play well under them is Bateman. But guess what? Bateman was already good lmao
 
UPennChem said:
This whole thing about is a coach good if his players or bad and vice versa is pretty dumb. A coach legitimately can't make a bad player good. They can only make players who are good enough to stay in the league better and can help rookies who belong in the league develop faster.

That being said Davante Adams could get the worst WR coach in the league next year and it simply wouldn't matter.

So when you inspect a guy like Engram you can say look at what he was working with as an excuse. Look no further than all those guys mentioned went on to either leave the league or play as WR5 for other teams. Engram gets a pass for his time as WR coach of the Ravens.

But he certainly does not get a pass for the Wisconsin offense he ran
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davante adams is a good example of how a good coach can help a good player become a great player

After a couple of years where Adams was good but not elite, he spent time with "Dubb" in his offseasons working on specific parts of his game (releases especially) and he's now the most dangerous WR at the LoS in the game

we've seen "Dubb" do the same thing with releases with Hollywood and even Duvernay - helping them develop their footwork and hands and then also their hip sink at the breakpoint

but you're right though that, at this point, Adams doesnt necessarily need anymore good coaching, because he's already had it and it's not going to make him worse at this point

Engram's wisconsin offence shouldnt be held up as a great reference point to make him a viable candidate but also he doesnt need a "pass" - he dramatically improved that offence from what was there before (which is probably why he's getting these interviews) but that offence isnt particularly inspiring

i think the greatest way of finding out how you feel about a position coach, is what do they do when they've got key players missing in their group - James Urban with Tyler Huntley and Anthony Brown for example - we've seen Bobby Engram get guys like Eric Tomlinson to give us meaningful snaps but also should be noted that he couldnt do anything with Josh Oliver (but George Godsey did... who also got an OC interview with Harbs)

easiest way to see whether your position coach is any good:
1) how well do rookies and young players develop
2) how well do backups do
3) how well prepared/managed are new players coming into the team with limited prep time
4) are there obvious, group wide technical improvements
 
UPennChem said:
What's sad is we all also said Tee and Dubb are gonna develop Duv and Proche. And look what happened there. Only one to play well under them is Bateman. But guess what? Bateman was already good lmao
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we know Dubb is a good coach - Duv's not been great but you can see the things that Dubb has helped him with
 
rossihunter2 said:
we know Dubb is a good coach - Duv's not been great but you can see the things that Dubb has helped him with
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I think there is an argument to be made that Duv is a pretty good weapon to have as a 3rd or 4th option. Duv was having a very good year when our offense was healthy early on.
 
rossihunter2 said:
davante adams is a good example of how a good coach can help a good player become a great player

After a couple of years where Adams was good but not elite, he spent time with "Dubb" in his offseasons working on specific parts of his game (releases especially) and he's now the most dangerous WR at the LoS in the game

we've seen "Dubb" do the same thing with releases with Hollywood and even Duvernay - helping them develop their footwork and hands and then also their hip sink at the breakpoint

but you're right though that, at this point, Adams doesnt necessarily need anymore good coaching, because he's already had it and it's not going to make him worse at this point

Engram's wisconsin offence shouldnt be held up as a great reference point to make him a viable candidate but also he doesnt need a "pass" - he dramatically improved that offence from what was there before (which is probably why he's getting these interviews) but that offence isnt particularly inspiring

i think the greatest way of finding out how you feel about a position coach, is what do they do when they've got key players missing in their group - James Urban with Tyler Huntley and Anthony Brown for example - we've seen Bobby Engram get guys like Eric Tomlinson to give us meaningful snaps but also should be noted that he couldnt do anything with Josh Oliver (but George Godsey did... who also got an OC interview with Harbs)

easiest way to see whether your position coach is any good:
1) how well do rookies and young players develop
2) how well do backups do
3) how well prepared/managed are new players coming into the team with limited prep time
4) are there obvious, group wide technical improvements
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Totally agree here
 
gtalk12 said:
I think there is an argument to be made that Duv is a pretty good weapon to have as a 3rd or 4th option. Duv was having a very good year when our offense was healthy early on.
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And that's fair. It's just anything beyond WR3/4 he's just going to fail. Because he's simply not that good. A good OC would understand and utilize his skills correctly. Not saying Roman didn't. Roman did the best he could with the injuries at that position.

But going forward, ideally the new OC doesn't have to misuse Duv
 
UPennChem said:
And that's fair. It's just anything beyond WR3/4 he's just going to fail. Because he's simply not that good. A good OC would understand and utilize his skills correctly. Not saying Roman didn't. Roman did the best he could with the injuries at that position.

But going forward, ideally the new OC doesn't have to misuse Duv
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As a #2 Lamar and Co had him looking pretty good. It’s proof that we don’t need as much to succeed as other offenses. Just ever year it’s been one thing after the other that ends in an injury to Lamar.
 
Which by the way, if that report is true, and Lamar's been offered 6/$275M with $133M gtd at signing and ~$200M in total guarantees, and he's declined... yeah, open the phone lines today.

Not even the biggest Lamar ball scrubber on the planet can justify turning that one down.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Which by the way, if that report is true, and Lamar's been offered 6/$275M with $133M gtd at signing and ~$200M in total guarantees, and he's declined... yeah, open the phone lines today.

Not even the biggest Lamar ball scrubber on the planet can justify turning that one down.
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Here's the thing. Does he want 240? If his number was 205 and they offered 200, he'd have taken it.

The Ravens need to look themselves in the mirror and say I'm happy to give Lamar the Watson contract or I'm not and I'm trading him.

If this is what Lamar wants, I'd respect the FO if they roll the dice on him, but I'd also respect them trading him for a HAUL
 
UPennChem said:
Here's the thing. Does he want 240? If his number was 205 and they offered 200, he'd have taken it.

The Ravens need to look themselves in the mirror and say I'm happy to give Lamar the Watson contract or I'm not and I'm trading him.

If this is what Lamar wants, I'd respect the FO if they roll the dice on him, but I'd also respect them trading him for a HAUL
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This is where I’m at. If Lamar is gonna try to rake the franchise over the coals so he can participate in a dick measuring contest among the leagues top qbs, then get the best return you can.
 
Sandtown said:
So you just gonna remember only the part when he was The Ravens wide receiver coach? Not the part when he was The Ravens tight end coach whom was pretty instrumental in Mark Andrews development. I think the last time he was The Ravens tight end coach Mark Andrews had over 1,000 receiving yards which I think was considered a stat that was the best among of all Ravens tight ends.
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But how does player development translate into playcalling?
 
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