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The 2023 Offseason Thread

This is one of the strongest rosters the Ravens may have actually ever had and it's funny that people are complaining about CB8 or some shit and EDGE5. Like I get it, don't get me wrong, could we have one more special player at both of those spots, yeah, but the season isn't tomorrow. And even if it was it would be ok.
 
UPennChem said:
This is one of the strongest rosters the Ravens may have actually ever had and it's funny that people are complaining about CB8 or some shit and EDGE5. Like I get it, don't get me wrong, could we have one more special player at both of those spots, yeah, but the season isn't tomorrow. And even if it was it would be ok.
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this is the year... our roster will fall apart next year, most likely
 
To me the big takeaways from the presser were the following:

Both sides always knew this would get done
Tons of stuff from the media were pure speculation
Lamar is happy
Lamar probably won't be out there for OTAs
Lamar took a long time to recover from the PCL
Lamar is fully healthy now
Proche will not make the team and Duv probably will
The new offense looks really different and everyone seems to like it
Even with Lamar’s deal we don't have a lot of cap room
 
UPennChem said:
Do we think that Stephens may be playing a. Lunch of Chuck's old role?
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May take some of it
Notable that geno stone has stepped in there in the past

But it depends how they see Stephens - is he a CB, is he a free safety, is he a nickel?

How they view him will make a huge difference as to his usage obviously

I think he’s probably gonna be used more in the CB rotation generally but he’s versatile
 
rossihunter2 said:
May take some of it
Notable that geno stone has stepped in there in the past

But it depends how they see Stephens - is he a CB, is he a free safety, is he a nickel?

How they view him will make a huge difference as to his usage obviously

I think he’s probably gonna be used more in the CB rotation generally but he’s versatile
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I actually think Amos is gonna be signed and Stephens will stay a CB.
 
rossihunter2 said:
May take some of it
Notable that geno stone has stepped in there in the past

But it depends how they see Stephens - is he a CB, is he a free safety, is he a nickel?

How they view him will make a huge difference as to his usage obviously

I think he’s probably gonna be used more in the CB rotation generally but he’s versatile
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They didn't draft a Safety or bring in a lot of UDFAs, so that tells us they definitely have some kind of plan in mind. If Hamilton remains in the slot, as seems likely, then M Williams and Stone are pretty much the only Safeties on the roster. So they're probably either moving Stephens to full time Safety or signing a cheap veteran.
 
UPennChem said:
To me the big takeaways from the presser were the following:

Both sides always knew this would get done
Tons of stuff from the media were pure speculation
Lamar is happy
Lamar probably won't be out there for OTAs
Lamar took a long time to recover from the PCL
Lamar is fully healthy now
Proche will not make the team and Duv probably will
The new offense looks really different and everyone seems to like it
Even with Lamar’s deal we don't have a lot of cap room
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Some of his comments got the eye roll for me.

Like its entirely disingenuous to act like you weren't entertaining discussions with other teams. The guy is basically saying "I never seriously considered playing for anybody else", while posting an official tweet from his own twitter account confirming he asked to be traded.
Ain't even one of those things where an agent "leaks" a trade request that people can deny. He said it. Voluntarily.

Happy the deal got done, but there's a lot of like "o there was never a doubt" kind of talk in here that frankly is just lying.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Some of his comments got the eye roll for me.

Like its entirely disingenuous to act like you weren't entertaining discussions with other teams. The guy is basically saying "I never seriously considered playing for anybody else", while posting an official tweet from his own twitter account confirming he asked to be traded.
Ain't even one of those things where an agent "leaks" a trade request that people can deny. He said it. Voluntarily.

Happy the deal got done, but there's a lot of like "o there was never a doubt" kind of talk in here that frankly is just lying.
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Even when he tweeted that he asked to be traded, I never thought he was serious about it. Just used it as a leveraging play.
 


Good detail here. Glad that they didn't go super low with the year 1 cap hit, which would have made gigantic bumps later on. Will be interested to see what 2024's is. Would think it would have to be in the $30-35M range, or possibly as high as $40M.

Getting $80M this year though. That's a haul.
 
Dom McRaven said:
Even when he tweeted that he asked to be traded, I never thought he was serious about it. Just used it as a leveraging play.
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Right but like you don't get to publicly ask for a trade and then say "just kidding". Or if you're going to do that, at least own to the fact that you weren't serious about it and say "I was using the trade demand as leverage".
It comes off as like somebody else reported it and they were lying about it. HE reported it.

End of day none of this matters, but these press conferences always cringe for me. Can tell they've just got talking points to say what people want to hear, vs what is the truth.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Right but like you don't get to publicly ask for a trade and then say "just kidding". Or if you're going to do that, at least own to the fact that you weren't serious about it and say "I was using the trade demand as leverage".
It comes off as like somebody else reported it and they were lying about it. HE reported it.

End of day none of this matters, but these press conferences always cringe for me. Can tell they've just got talking points to say what people want to hear, vs what is the truth.
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He basically said the trade request was just all business. Agents do the same for their clients all the time. And everyone on this board knew it was such when it happened outside of a very small few. He then says it was just that, business. I believe that because it's what we thought before he confirmed it...
 
UPennChem said:
He basically said the trade request was just all business. Agents do the same for their clients all the time. And everyone on this board knew it was such when it happened outside of a very small few. He then says it was just that, business. I believe that because it's what we thought before he confirmed it...
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Agreed.
But I'm pretty sure there were several people on these boards who told me I should basically only listen to what Lamar confirms, and ignore the rest, because it wasn't coming from him and he didn't confirm it.

So I did, and now I'm being told not to do so, basically? So going forward, when Lamar speaks about something, should I assume its the truth, or should I assume it could just be a "business ploy" to get what he wants?

Of course this is a rhetorical question because I already know the answer. Mostly just pointing out how comical this got in the offseason when people literally took Lamar's words as gospel, and then ignored everybody else. Even though what pretty much everybody else reported was, at minimum, as truthful as what Lamar showed.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Agreed.
But I'm pretty sure there were several people on these boards who told me I should basically only listen to what Lamar confirms, and ignore the rest, because it wasn't coming from him and he didn't confirm it.

So I did, and now I'm being told not to do so, basically? So going forward, when Lamar speaks about something, should I assume its the truth, or should I assume it could just be a "business ploy" to get what he wants?

Of course this is a rhetorical question because I already know the answer. Mostly just pointing out how comical this got in the offseason when people literally took Lamar's words as gospel, and then ignored everybody else. Even though what pretty much everybody else reported was, at minimum, as truthful as what Lamar showed.
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I don't disagree with you that this whole situation was an absolute comical cess pool from actually all directions.
 
RavensMania said:
I think Keaton Mitchell has the best chance of making the team. He's a dynamic runner and we currently only have 3 running backs on the roster, not including Ricard.
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If he’s got special teams chops, then he could be taking hills spot. One of my favorite r6/7 guys I’m surprised he wasn’t drafted
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
If he’s got special teams chops, then he could be taking hills spot. One of my favorite r6/7 guys I’m surprised he wasn’t drafted
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Obviously not a crazy amount of money but hill got guaranteed money to re-sign on his 2 year deal

Think it’d be more likely we’d carry 4 RBs and go lighter somewhere else if Mitchell’s on the roster

He either has to beat out Hill as RB3 or be great on special teams - and even then he may well be the kind of guy who goes on the PS to be called up on game days if required
 
rossihunter2 said:


Roquan diff

Calais is the big net loss (assuming Houston or some equivalent signs later in the offseason)

RYS is better than 2022 MP…

2nd year with MM as a playcaller - will be big to see if they can be even better than the unit Mina’s describing
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Outsiders focused on Lamar and OBJ right now while sleeping on the defense. I can’t not wait to watch these guys dominate again
 
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