The 2023 Offseason Thread

[QtR Nevermore]

I don't know about the specifics of the total cap situation but I do know that OTC is generally the most reliable cap site, so who knows? (Brian MacFarland has it at $250 M and he usually tends to err on the conservative side of most things). Big jumps were reportedly coming with the new TV deal, so I wouldn't be shocked.

Ricard and Moses are likely gone. They'll hope one of the giant RTs develops and Pat is too expensive unless you have an OC as Full Back obsessed as Greg Roman. Bowser seemed like a bit of a bargain on signing and he wont get less so as the cap rises, so I'd say he's safe.

 

[QtR Nevermore]

this type of thing is why I love coming to this board. Keeps me smiling. Had no idea we had so many defensive players that had initials CC. Maybe we will soon have AA.

Anthony Averett?

 

[RavensMania]

I don't know about the specifics of the total cap situation but I do know that OTC is generally the most reliable cap site, so who knows? (Brian MacFarland has it at $250 M and he usually tends to err on the conservative side of most things). Big jumps were reportedly coming with the new TV deal, so I wouldn't be shocked.

Ricard and Moses are likely gone. They'll hope one of the giant RTs develops and Pat is too expensive unless you have an OC as Full Back obsessed as Greg Roman. Bowser seemed like a bit of a bargain on signing and he wont get less so as the cap rises, so I'd say he's safe.

yeah believe they have it at 256m next season.

 

[RavensMania]

Due to the voidable years contracts we currently have on the books, if we don't extend those players we will have approximately 20m in dead cap.

 

[JAAM]

I don't think we should be planning to replace OBJ with a similarly big name/highly drafted WR at this stage. We've got to be hoping that Yr4 Bateman and Yr2 Flowers can step up as the #1 & 2 with a cheaper option/later pick at WR3.

Mike Evans is a free agent next off-season. Just saying…

 

[rossihunter2]

I think we’re gonna have a really crazy defensive year. The grouping of roquan, hamilton, queen, Simpson, Humphrey, and bowser is pretty insane.

I think roquan smith could have a DPOY season in store, pro bowl from queen, all pro from Kyle hamilton and Humphrey. Our off-ball lineup is absolutely insane and this feels a lot like what folks were envisioning when we first started talking positionless defense.

add in some of the depth too that's highly versatile - stephens, pepe, washington

and obviously will all hopefully be helped by the nigerian nightmare becoming an elite wrecking crew in 2023...

 

[rossihunter2]

The 24 FA list isn't too painful because none of them are franchise cornerstones who must be re-signed (there are scenarios where none of them return and the Ravens are still OK).

I also expect this season to answer a lot of questions. Some will play themselves out of the Ravens price range and others might play themselves out of the league, so this dilemma will look easier after the season.

Beckham is either going to be good and looking for c.$15 M again, which would price him out of Baltimore, or bad and we don't want him back, so he's gone whatever happens. In any case, he's done his job and lured Lamar back.

If Zeitler stays good, healthy and wants to keep playing, we should offer him a short, affordable contract and hope he accepts.

Queen. I don't see how it makes sense to keep him. If he plays like last season, he'll be too expensive. If he regresses to the year 1 or 2 version, we'd be better giving Simpson a chance to develop and saving some money.

The RBs - I don't see how we can afford to keep Dobbins. Teams with expensive QBs can't pay RBs, and JK is too good to be cheap. Gus might still be good enough and cheap enough, but he's getting older, so it's not too likely.

The D Line is the problem area in 24 and beyond. I've been hoping, for the last 2 drafts, that they'd try to get ahead of it by adding late rounders to the room but, at the moment, it looks like they'll be doubling up in the draft.

Urban would return at vet min, if we want him. Pierce is too old and injured to be worth paying what he will want. It's Madubiuke and Washington that are the question. EDC should see if either wants to sign early at a cheaper rate but otherwise the Ravens can afford to let it play out. They're good not great and the Ravens don't need to let a positional shortage force them into overpaying anyone.

madubuike's pretty great tbf - just not been the consistent flashy superstar we'd hoped yet

but we're definitely at a point where we shouldnt be overpaying to retain starters - if we've got stars it's a no-brainer (regardless of position), but we're gonna have to get hardcore with the 80-20 role to maximise this roster

you dont want to have to draft for need but also, if you want good DL play, you've got to invest in it

best case is madubuike finally finds that consistency and we find a way to pay him, otherwise we're gonna have to overhaul the position next year and may be forced to spend in free agency and expend draft picks

but that's a problem for after the season - if madubuike ascends or broderick plays well, we may well just pay them and build from there

 

[rmcjacket23]

I don't know about the specifics of the total cap situation but I do know that OTC is generally the most reliable cap site, so who knows? (Brian MacFarland has it at $250 M and he usually tends to err on the conservative side of most things). Big jumps were reportedly coming with the new TV deal, so I wouldn't be shocked.

Ricard and Moses are likely gone. They'll hope one of the giant RTs develops and Pat is too expensive unless you have an OC as Full Back obsessed as Greg Roman. Bowser seemed like a bit of a bargain on signing and he wont get less so as the cap rises, so I'd say he's safe.

Agree on the cap. Just not seeing $265M.
End of day, we have ~$244M on the books for 2024 today. And that number will likely only grow by the time the 2023 season is over. So even on a cap of $250M, that's not much space at all.

Due to the voidable years contracts we currently have on the books, if we don't extend those players we will have approximately 20m in dead cap.

It'll grow of course, but not a lot of dead $ at that point. Teams have finally started to figure out how irrelevant it is.

 

[Deebo813]

I think we’re gonna have a really crazy defensive year. The grouping of roquan, hamilton, queen, Simpson, Humphrey, and bowser is pretty insane.

I think roquan smith could have a DPOY season in store, pro bowl from queen, all pro from Kyle hamilton and Humphrey. Our off-ball lineup is absolutely insane and this feels a lot like what folks were envisioning when we first started talking positionless defense.

I think we need another cb though. Idk if rock ya sin plays slot or not but we def need a slot cb.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think we need another cb though. Idk if rock ya sin plays slot or not but we def need a slot cb.

Hamilton will be our primary slot guy almost for certain

 

[RavensMania]

I think we need another cb though. Idk if rock ya sin plays slot or not but we def need a slot cb.

not much. Out of his 401 snaps he only had 44 snaps in the slot. He's much better as a left corner, which is the same position that Marcus Peters plays. Hamilton did very well in the slot, if we go that route and Humphrey plays very good in the slot also. I'd prefer keeping him on the boundary though.

 

[Deebo813]

Hamilton will be our primary slot guy almost for certain

Like hamilton but he would for certain have trouble in the slot against the more quicker guys

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Like hamilton but he would for certain have trouble in the slot against the more quicker guys

That’s where I think you’re wrong and that’s what makes hamilton special. He has the short area movement skills and the crazy length and strength to handle those guys, at the very least he’s able to reroute them into other defenders. That’s like thinking jalen Ramsey can’t run with quick slot guys because he’s big and physical, when in reality Ramsey did that shit all through college and is doing it again in the nfl despite losing a step or two over the years. Qbs can think their slot is at a speed advantage until they gotta throw it around his edge rusher like wingspan to a 5’10” short armed dickhead

 

[Deebo813]

That’s where I think you’re wrong and that’s what makes hamilton special. He has the short area movement skills and the crazy length and strength to handle those guys, at the very least he’s able to reroute them into other defenders. That’s like thinking jalen Ramsey can’t run with quick slot guys because he’s big and physical, when in reality Ramsey did that shit all through college and is doing it again in the nfl despite losing a step or two over the years. Qbs can think their slot is at a speed advantage until they gotta throw it around his edge rusher like wingspan to a 5’10” short armed dickhead

Ramsey much faster and quicker than hamilton though is in fact cb who specialize in cvg.. i cant imagine him covering someone like zay flowers type moving in motion. Was gonna say hill and waddle but those guys cant be covered regardless

 

[Thezone27]

I don't know about the specifics of the total cap situation but I do know that OTC is generally the most reliable cap site, so who knows? (Brian MacFarland has it at $250 M and he usually tends to err on the conservative side of most things). Big jumps were reportedly coming with the new TV deal, so I wouldn't be shocked.

Ricard and Moses are likely gone. They'll hope one of the giant RTs develops and Pat is too expensive unless you have an OC as Full Back obsessed as Greg Roman. Bowser seemed like a bit of a bargain on signing and he wont get less so as the cap rises, so I'd say he's safe.

I say Moses stays

 

[Thezone27]

Mike Evans is a free agent next off-season. Just saying

if he isn't resigned, then we should be wary of signing him anyway

 

[rmcjacket23]

Ramsey much faster and quicker than hamilton though is in fact cb who specialize in cvg.. i cant imagine him covering someone like zay flowers type moving in motion. Was gonna say hill and waddle but those guys cant be covered regardless

Right but in most of those looks we have one or two deep safeties as well. So if they get by him, there's another defender.
Not like you're going to see many looks where we're like "hey Kyle, go man-to-man on Tyreek in the slot with no help".

Think of it this way... he was the primary SCB for the second half of the year. Do you recall him getting beat deep or getting torched in man coverage often?

 

[rossihunter2]

That’s where I think you’re wrong and that’s what makes hamilton special. He has the short area movement skills and the crazy length and strength to handle those guys, at the very least he’s able to reroute them into other defenders. That’s like thinking jalen Ramsey can’t run with quick slot guys because he’s big and physical, when in reality Ramsey did that shit all through college and is doing it again in the nfl despite losing a step or two over the years. Qbs can think their slot is at a speed advantage until they gotta throw it around his edge rusher like wingspan to a 5’10” short armed dickhead

And when hamilton’s length and wingspan mean that even if he loses a step you’re still covered

 

[RavensMania]

Right but in most of those looks we have one or two deep safeties as well. So if they get by him, there's another defender.
Not like you're going to see many looks where we're like "hey Kyle, go man-to-man on Tyreek in the slot with no help".

Think of it this way... he was the primary SCB for the second half of the year. Do you recall him getting beat deep or getting torched in man coverage often?

@Deebo813 Right and if you want to get more specific than what rmc is saying he played 354 snaps in scb and 297 of those snaps came from week 9 right through the wc game. 241 of those snaps came from weeks 14 on (5 weeks). He was damn good at scb and he's extremely versatile.

 

[RavensMania]

We will be traveling to London, and Chargers, Niners and Cardinals. Last year we had the least miles, this year we have the 6th most.