Article: Crap Speculation. Kap to the RAVENS

[flynismo]

There were a lot of other players that kneeled and they got jobs. Thing is none of these other players wore pig socks and praised communism.
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Sorry to hear you went thru stuff like that since apartheid was pure racism.

It's all good; I gained a lot of perspective as a child from my time there. It's hard to live through apartheid, and then to be expected to take Kaepernick and his eight figure bank account seriously when he goes on about racism and how America oppresses people of color.

 

[Willbacker]

Kap did what he did peacefully, I did not agree with some of his views but he meant well. He was specific about Castro, I would have to look into what he actually said about him but usually that's a road that leads nowhere good lol.

As it pertains to him voting? If he felt that neither candidate would do what is right, what is he to do? I know many who voted for Trump simply bc they did not like Clinton and at no point agreed with any of Trump's politics. Is that what it has become? Choose what you think is less evil? What if you at no point aligned yourself with either? Are we all suppose to put aside our principles and beliefs and choose?

These are all interesting points of views that we all share and I wish we could be a bit more specific, truth of the matter is Kap before his stance had a clean slate and decided to shed light on some issues that a large population of America suffers from.
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The black lives matter movement was initially meant to shed light at a disproportionate legal system. Years ago, the FBI released a study about the KKK and their involvement with the police departments. As it turns out, they have successfully infiltrated some police departments around the United States and hold positions of power. In my very short time on this Earth, I have seen many things that start out as good and take a turn for the worse because people who have no business getting involved do, and they bring in their own hidden agendas and use movements like these to excuse their own personal misconduct.

As a man of color, this is a reality that we may not be able to escape. Some, not all, of my brothers and sisters will suffer at the hands of monsters who operate throughout the confines of the law to excuse themselves of the wrong doings.

I searched thru the FBI's board and found nothing about what you said but I'm not saying you wrong but if you can get me a reputable link and not some offbeat link that could be leftist in general I promise that I will look at it. The problem with the BLM movement in general besides riots of course is that police were judged before they had their day in court which is massive imo. There is no doubts in my mind there is some racism in the PD (and not just whites) but believe me the vast majority when they get the call they're coming to help you.

Secondly voting is a very important American right and should be used by any body that wants to bitch about anything. Just do a write in if you don't agree with any of the candidates on the ballot. Scooby Do is always a good choice but please never think its a waste of time.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

One thing with Kaep is that he does quite a bit of charity work, giving tons of money to inner city youths and volunteering a lot of his time to dedicate himself to inner city youth.

Hate him if you will, but he identified a problem that he saw, peacefully protested it to bring awareness (this entire thread is proof that he did exactly what he sought out to do), and even dedicated a lot of time and money to his cause.

Not really sure how you can be too upset with him.

 

[usmccharles]

I hate to harp on millenials, they get so much flak as it is, and for the most part rightly so.

But I think we should also consider that they are the way they are because of the people who raised them, and the BS climate that the Obama administration helped usher into this country. Trump is a lot of bad things, but he was spot on when he said political correctness is destroying this country. And that isn't news to a lot of us, he was simply the voice of the opinion many of us held. Kaepernick is everything that is wrong with the millenials all rolled into one package....but I see little of the positives that millenials also possess.

Anyway, crawling back to my safe space now. LOL

Definitely a point that needs to be pointed out when talking about millenials. The PC world is definitely making it harder in this country, people are scared to share opinions because they dont want to be branded a racist, or sexist, etc. Maybe the Marines really numbed me down but i say what i feel, witch tact, but i dont believe in sugar coating anything. You are definitely right its not all on the younger generation. And sorry, didnt realize you were wearing a safety pin

One thing with Kaep is that he does quite a bit of charity work, giving tons of money to inner city youths and volunteering a lot of his time to dedicate himself to inner city youth.

Hate him if you will, but he identified a problem that he saw, peacefully protested it to bring awareness (this entire thread is proof that he did exactly what he sought out to do), and even dedicated a lot of time and money to his cause.

Not really sure how you can be too upset with him.

Yup. Couldnt agree more.

 

[gtalk12]

I searched thru the FBI's board and found nothing about what you said but I'm not saying you wrong but if you can get me a reputable link and not some offbeat link that could be leftist in general I promise that I will look at it. The problem with the BLM movement in general besides riots of course is that police were judged before they had their day in court which is massive imo. There is no doubts in my mind there is some racism in the PD (and not just whites) but believe me the vast majority when they get the call they're coming to help you.

Secondly voting is a very important American right and should be used by any body that wants to bitch about anything. Just do a write in if you don't agree with any of the candidates on the ballot. Scooby Do is always a good choice but please never think its a waste of time.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31...-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/

I should have saved it when I had it, everything I find now is heavily redacted smh. If you want to see that one here it is but it doesn't have much in terms of solid evidence.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

FBI currently has a Domestic Terrorism one but I have to go over it again to make sure it holds evidence in there, I can't believe I did not keep it smh

Here is an example of the KKK in the force

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/07/14/florida-police-dept-3-kkk-members-last-5-years/

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Yup. Couldnt agree more.

Agree or disagree with his stance, he's not looting, rioting, disturbing the peace. This is actually what people want to see a protest look like- peaceful.

It really gets to me; the hypocrisy, that is. You look at people who complain so much about protestors flooding the streets and blocking traffic and people complain because large cities are seeing looting and people say that's not how to get your point across. Kaep does it in the exact way people want and it's still not right.

Should we just not protest or voice our opinions?

 

[gtalk12]

Agree or disagree with his stance, he's not looting, rioting, disturbing the peace. This is actually what people want to see a protest look like- peaceful.

It really gets to me; the hypocrisy, that is. You look at people who complain so much about protestors flooding the streets and blocking traffic and people complain because large cities are seeing looting and people say that's not how to get your point across. Kaep does it in the exact way people want and it's still not right.

Should we just not protest or voice our opinions?

that's what it seems like, there is no balance as it pertains to speaking on social issues
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I searched thru the FBI's board and found nothing about what you said but I'm not saying you wrong but if you can get me a reputable link and not some offbeat link that could be leftist in general I promise that I will look at it. The problem with the BLM movement in general besides riots of course is that police were judged before they had their day in court which is massive imo. There is no doubts in my mind there is some racism in the PD (and not just whites) but believe me the vast majority when they get the call they're coming to help you.

Secondly voting is a very important American right and should be used by any body that wants to bitch about anything. Just do a write in if you don't agree with any of the candidates on the ballot. Scooby Do is always a good choice but please never think its a waste of time.

Very hazy explanation, but look under domestic terrorism and it will touch on both the Left and the Right.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

 

[usmccharles]

Agree or disagree with his stance, he's not looting, rioting, disturbing the peace. This is actually what people want to see a protest look like- peaceful.

It really gets to me; the hypocrisy, that is. You look at people who complain so much about protestors flooding the streets and blocking traffic and people complain because large cities are seeing looting and people say that's not how to get your point across. Kaep does it in the exact way people want and it's still not right.

Should we just not protest or voice our opinions?

One thing i always says in instances like this: Everyone loves democracy until they disagree with it the outcome. I fought for the right for him to say what he wants, regardless of my opinion on what he said. That is literally the point of America.

 

[K-Dog]

Has anyone been to a "Fractured Prune Donuts" ?

That place is pretty amazing.

 

[Willbacker]

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31...-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/

I should have saved it when I had it, everything I find now is heavily redacted smh. If you want to see that one here it is but it doesn't have much in terms of solid evidence.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

FBI currently has a Domestic Terrorism one but I have to go over it again to make sure it holds evidence in there, I can't believe I did not keep it smh

Here is an example of the KKK in the force

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/07/14/florida-police-dept-3-kkk-members-last-5-years/

Lol don't worry about it man. Just remember what the source is and where you believe they stand. The police deal with a lot of dangerous situations and every time they leave home they don't know if they coming back which is the reason with Kaep wearing them socks man.......smh it was all about anti police and oppression which btw " Who's been running the major cities the last 50 yrs or more"?

 

[flynismo]

And sorry, didnt realize you were wearing a safety pin

Not even close, lol...I think I'm old enough to be your, err...older brother

 

[usmccharles]

Not even close, lol...I think I'm old enough to be your, err...older brother

I shall call you Pops from now on

 

[Oldfaithful]

There were a lot of other players that kneeled and they got jobs. Thing is none of these other players wore pig socks and praised communism.

Well let's put it this way. If Justin Houston did this he'd still be employed. Why? Because he's a monster who's not doing anything illegal.

While I don't like the way Kaepernick is fighting this war, if he were a good NFL QB.. He'd be employed because he'd be a valued commodity. The problem is.. He sucks. Like a lot. He's been horrible since after 2013. Niners fans wanted him gone BEFORE the kneeling.

Plus, even without all the stuff he's done.. He kind of seemed like a total jerk beforehand too(quit kissing your damn biceps). Never liked him, never will. Screw that guy.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Fun fact on the police: A town out in Wisconsin retrained every single one of their police officers (I will find the city) in 2015 and have not had a single death by cop since.

Coincidence? Probably not.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Fun fact on the police: A town out in Wisconsin retrained every single one of their police officers (I will find the city) in 2015 and have not had a single death by cop since.

Coincidence? Probably not.

While I agree, and you do have a point, implicating all cops is just something I can't get behind. Are their corrupt cops in the country? Absolutely. 10% of most workforces are corrupt(it's most likely a bigger margin for police officers, but still). Most police officers are likely good people who want to help maintain order and keep the peace. The notion to throw them all under the bus is just idiotic to be honest.

If you want me to be honest, I know that wasn't Kaep's whole thing, but that's not the reason I dislike him. He's straight up not a good player and his attitude on the field before these incidents was just totally offputting. I don't agree with some of the things he's said(or his overall demeanor about the situation), but all in all. That's not my problem with him.

Like I said. If it was say Lebron James leading the charge(and fwiw. I don't like Lebron too much either as a person) I wouldn't care nearly as much. As much as I hate Lebron for leaving Cleveland(well. More like the way he left was just straight up despicable imo. I was there), I understand that he's not an arrogant, self righteous, jackass. Kaepernick is.

I don't hate the cause. I hate the person who's basically leading it.

And no. I don't want him near my damn team. He's just not a good QB.

 

[K-Dog]

Fun fact on the police: A town out in Wisconsin retrained every single one of their police officers (I will find the city) in 2015 and have not had a single death by cop since.

Coincidence? Probably not.

I am guessing Kap is from Wisconsin.
I mean otherwise it would not have jack shit to do with his inability to play football or the topic at hand.

 

[Oldfaithful]

I am guessing Kap is from Wisconsin.
I mean otherwise it would not have jack shit to do with his inability to play football or the topic at hand.

I'm pretty sure he is actually. Was born there.

 

[The Raven]

Agree or disagree with his stance, he's not looting, rioting, disturbing the peace. This is actually what people want to see a protest look like- peaceful.

It really gets to me; the hypocrisy, that is. You look at people who complain so much about protestors flooding the streets and blocking traffic and people complain because large cities are seeing looting and people say that's not how to get your point across. Kaep does it in the exact way people want and it's still not right.

Should we just not protest or voice our opinions?

Ding ding ding. I think people just don't like to feel uncomfortable. They don't want their version of reality challenged. So they shut down all forms of upsetting rhetoric. They especially don't want to feel uncomfortable while watching ESPN, which is supposed to be the escape.

The reality is that minorities are statistically more likely to be stopped or shot by a cop, and they are less likely to ascend to a hire socioeconomic class. Race (and gender, too) do have a lot to do with it. There is solid research out there demonstrating that upward mobility is less likely for a black man than a white man. There may be complicating factors in some cases, but this is the reality. Racism is undoubtedly worse in other countries, but to categorically deny its impact in our economy is irresponsible. I fully realize that Kaep is privileged, to use a word that some here may shudder at, but his point is factually valid. While he has benefited, he is the exception. That's important to note.

But again, as I mentioned earlier, the jackass didn't vote, so he should probably get some help. If he framed the argument better as an economic argument, and if he didn't wear socks with pigs on them, he'd probably have more luck persuading people.

 

[K-Dog]

I'm pretty sure he is actually. Was born there.

Well then.
Carry on.

 

[The Raven]

Fun fact on the police: A town out in Wisconsin retrained every single one of their police officers (I will find the city) in 2015 and have not had a single death by cop since.

Coincidence? Probably not.

Huh. Imagine that. Also important to note that per capita deaths by cop are lower in just about every other first world country, but this whole American exceptionalism crap puts the blinders on that.