usmccharles
Practice Squad
I am still waiting for a politics thread to be created. thats exactly where this is headed.
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Article: Crap Speculation. Kap to the RAVENS
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K-Dog
MVP
Thank you.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
As a registered voter in the state of Colorado, with family in California who voted, I'm pretty sure they told me about a candidate that specifically fights for minority rights, and the fact that he didn't even bother to pick up a freaking ballot pissed me off. You can leave the top of the ticket blank(I mean, I didn't do that) and vote for the other positions such as senator. People do not seem to realize that this is an actual possibility if you do not think that the other candidates are worthy.
But Kaep could have used his celebrity status to give this person some (much needed) grassroots traction to help out her cause. And have donated money to her campaign. So yeah. If Kaep would have gone that route, I would have had less of a problem with him.
usmccharles
Practice Squad
Consider it done.
You need to calm down. You are getting really riled up over nothing.
By the way, from Milwaukee.
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The point was more about poor training than actual corruption.
[doublepost=1495534888][/doublepost]Girls and boys, we now have a dedicated political thread. Please, if you have any Kaep related politics to share, do so in the political thread. This is no longer the place.
I didn't like him prior to last season. Besides his athleticism, the guy just can't throw with any degree of accuracy to be a concistently good qb that can be relied upon.
gtalk12
Ravens Ring of Honor
Even if he wasn't from there, it doesn't change the fact that whatever work that police department put in WORKED. You seem to be getting upset, relax nobody is attacking anybody here. We are all being respectful
NaturalBornHitters
Veteran
Thank god, he signed with the Seahawks
Makes total sense, too. He's in that same athletic mold that can move the pocket.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Sure, the whole protesting thing has an effect on the situation....
But let's be real. It's because he sucks. If Cam Newton, or Russell Wilson pulled the crap that Kaepernick did, I can guarantee you that the Panthers and Seahawks respectively would have kept him because Kaepernick did not have criminal actions, but most importantly..
THEY'RE GOOD. Dak Prescott? Good player. If he did it, he'd be massively ridiculed but he's still have a job. And if the Cowboys cut him some desperate time like the Browns would give him max money ASAP. Russell Wilson is a fucking super bowl winner. If he did the same thing, sure, everyone would hate his guts, but Seattle would keep him. Same goes for former NFL MVP Cam Newton. "But Michael Vick was cut after his thing." Vick was arrested for a CRIME. If Mcnabb back then did what Kaepernick did now.. Nothing would change because Eagles fans are totally insane.
Let's be real here dude. Kaepernick would have been signed by now if it's actually good. Most teams would be willing to put up with his drama(which is what it is. He's a walking, talking media circus whether you agree with his stances or not) if he was as good as Cam Newton or Russell Wilson, or Dak Prescott. Hell, if he was as good as Tyrod Taylor, someone would have signed him by now. NFL teams are smart like that. If you have the opportunity to have a franchise quarterback, you'll be willing to take on baggage so long as
1. Nobody is getting hurt.
2. It doesn't affect his playing time at all.
Need I mind you that he platooned with Blaine Gabbert? Yeah, you don't see the others listed above doing that do you? He threw for negative yards in a game AGAINST THE BEARS.
The NFL is a what have you done lately for me league. It's why Flacco is under so much scrutiny from Ravens fans, and rightfully so. Kaepernick has actually been a lot worse.
No thank you. Not at all.
Kaepernick quietly had a decent season last year. He had 16 TD's to 4 interceptions on like 300 passes. That's pretty decent. He also put up about 2300 yards, so he was putting up around 7.0 YPA. And he averaged almost 6.0 yards per rush. I think it was like 5.5.
I know people love to hate on Kaep, but his worse season by far was 2015, his only real bad season. If you actually look at last year and look at his play on one of the worst rosters in all of football, he had a pretty decent season.
Am I advocating for the Ravens to sign him? No, not really. I think he doesn't really add anything to the Ravens and I think the playbook would change too much when/if Joe got injured to reasonably and comfortably accommodate Kaep.
But let's be real here- the ONLY reason Kaep is not signed is because of the protest. The NFL's biggest reason for decline last year was the protests. That's a fact. He's not a really well liked player right now. He would basically have the same effect as signing Ray Rice. You'd alienate way too much of your fan base.
And let's be real here- Are there actually 32 starting quarterbacks right now that are better than Kaep? You want to tell me that whoever the Jets or 49ers are going to trot out is better than Kaep? Goff is better than Kaep? Do the Texans even have a quarterback answer on the roster? Blake Bortles might be playing his way out of Jacksonville. He's no worse than Tyrod Taylor is and the league LOVES Taylor. Are we really going to say the Cardinals have their answer for the future at backup quarterback after Palmer retires?
@Lost_In_Translation you are right- it is a what have you done for me lately league and lately, Kaepernick was pretty decent in 2016. He had a quietly decent year. 100% the only reason he is not signed is due to the protests.
If Wilson or Newton or someone does this, I guarantee the Seahawks or Panthers swarm on it and get him to stop.
I know people love to hate on Kaep, but his worse season by far was 2015, his only real bad season. If you actually look at last year and look at his play on one of the worst rosters in all of football, he had a pretty decent season.
Am I advocating for the Ravens to sign him? No, not really. I think he doesn't really add anything to the Ravens and I think the playbook would change too much when/if Joe got injured to reasonably and comfortably accommodate Kaep.
But let's be real here- the ONLY reason Kaep is not signed is because of the protest. The NFL's biggest reason for decline last year was the protests. That's a fact. He's not a really well liked player right now. He would basically have the same effect as signing Ray Rice. You'd alienate way too much of your fan base.
And let's be real here- Are there actually 32 starting quarterbacks right now that are better than Kaep? You want to tell me that whoever the Jets or 49ers are going to trot out is better than Kaep? Goff is better than Kaep? Do the Texans even have a quarterback answer on the roster? Blake Bortles might be playing his way out of Jacksonville. He's no worse than Tyrod Taylor is and the league LOVES Taylor. Are we really going to say the Cardinals have their answer for the future at backup quarterback after Palmer retires?
@Lost_In_Translation you are right- it is a what have you done for me lately league and lately, Kaepernick was pretty decent in 2016. He had a quietly decent year. 100% the only reason he is not signed is due to the protests.
If Wilson or Newton or someone does this, I guarantee the Seahawks or Panthers swarm on it and get him to stop.
Inqui
Pro Bowler
Had Wilson or Newton done it I imagine the teams would have put out a statement through the coach saying they support the player's right to express himself in a non-harmful way and that the views don't necessarily reflect the view of the organisation and blah blah blah. There's kind of a scale with that stuff where teams are more interested in whether you're good enough to outweigh your potential baggage (so if Newton or Wilson shot someone and told reporters "I'm glad I killed the bastard" that kind of baggage wouldn't outweigh their talent and they'd be gone within an hour of making the comment). The whole protest stuff and the distraction that's caused is on a much lower end of the scale, but so is Kaepernick's talent. So when people say "Kap's getting black-balled because of his views and everything" and when others say "Kap can't get a job because he sucks", they're both right.
Where did you see the biggest reason for decline being the protests? I saw a recent survey that might have been the same one, and aside from being slightly disturbed by what that suggests (the protests being a more prominently cited reason than the domestic violence issues) I'm not a huge fan of response surveys like that because actions and words tend to be different things (my thoughts are the same on those exit polls people take after elections). That and viewership's been falling in pretty much every major sports league (the Premier League fell by 14 per cent last season) and people going from watching to not watching tends to be more complicated than one factor.
Kap team has been very very awful yet he still had 16tds and 4 ints. If you think he has not signed cause he sucks then im guessing youre one of the people that was against his social stance
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
I can personally guarantee you that if Cam Newton had the same exact public stance that Kaepernick had, the Panthers would try to stop him and fail. Do you really think the niners didn't try to intervene to prevent a PR catastrophe? Their team was bad enough already and didn't have a draw to begin with(not to mention their stadium is straight garbage with the parkin, their owner is Dan Snyder 2.0: Megadouch version, etc. I live in the Bay area and literally put up with bitchy niners fans for a living: and even they agree with me on this). I don't necessarily disagree with Kaepernick's cause either(he probably could have gone about some things differently. Him not voting was stupid but discussing that is for another day. The comments he made about Castro.. You get where I'm going). But Cam Newton does that: he probably gets to continue taling even if the Panthers try to shut him down, and he's still employed by Carolina because he's a former MVP who's proven himself to be a good QB. If Carolina were dumb enough to release him, some QB hungry team like the Browns would pounce and probably beat us out in the divison.
And sure, the statistics indicate that Kapernick was decent. But a lot of the good games he had were either against really bad teams, or during garbage time when games didn't matter. Even then, you have to consider that he was in a VERY Quarterback friendly offense with Chip Kelly being the guy calling the shots, an offensive mind that made Mark Sanchez look passable as well, and made Nick Foles look like a god for a season. Context matters. Chip Kelly is a good offensive mind, and it's a hell of a lot easier during garbage time when certain teams don't care.
Kaepernick at his best is serviceable. That's his main problem. Good to play in a pinch, but if he's your starter you should be looking elsewhere for his replacement in the draft. If he was as good as say, Matthew Stafford, then some team would ignore the PR circus that Kaepernick would provide and take him in, if he were even cut from the niners at all because a guy like Stafford could turn a fringe team like the Bronco into a legit contender. It was why Michael Vick was signed after his arrest. He was a very good QB in his prime, the Eagles knew Mcnabb was getting old/on the way out, and wanted a QB the following few seasons who was good enough to possibly get the eagles to win. What Vick did was WORSE than what Kaepernick did, but he still got signed because he had proven that he had good NFL ability. Kaepernick, has had one good season if we are being totally honest and has a reputation of being serviceable even in the bay area. And this was before the protesting. Niners fans weren't too fond of him beforehand because of his play.
Because he's nothing but serviceable, teams have decided that taking on the baggage straight up isn't worth it, even if he could be a good backup somewhere else. But nope, because Kaepernick is extremely limited as a passer(because he is. NFL defenses have honestly figured him out). Unless you kill someone, some teams will put up with your baggage IF YOU'RE GOOD(*cough*, Bengals. *cough*, Bengals. In fact, if we are being honest I'm surprised they haven't signed Kaepernick yet. I mean, Dalton is going to get manhandled behind that offensive line. If any team would sign him, it's them).
Sure, Kaepernick's protesting obviously plays a role, but because he's nothing but serviceable most teams have decided that he's straight up not worth it even as a backup. They don't need a media circus from a QB who straight up cannot perform in big moments, and win a lot of games.
man some people will never understand man. Great comment my friend
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Actually I didn't hate his cause. I think he did several things wrong(the socks, the comments about Castro, not voting which was utterly stupid) but overall recently, but him kneeling isn't my beef with him. He didn't commit an actual crime. He's become polarized which plays a big role, but if he were good. He'd be employed.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
My point is that teams are willing to put up with divas if those divas can win you games. Some teams will avoid these kind of guys like the plague, but yet you can find people in NFL history who have said super controversial shit, yet they either kept their damn job, or found work elsewhere because THEY WERE GOOD. Even certain criminals, have gotten second chances because they could perform. Greg Hardy was employed by the cowboys because Jerry Jones thought that he could help them win(I mean... It doesn't make it right: He's a garbage person, but the NFL at the end of the day is a business). The Bengals have drafted Joe Mixon because they think he's going to be a stud, despite also being a garbage human. They did the same thing with Jeremy Hill several years ago. The ravens took a chance on Jimmy Smith, and he was an absolute headcase early on in his life(who did a lot of things worse than what Kaepernick is doing). Chad Johnson, despite being a walking talking circus, was a productive NFL wide receiver for the Bengals for a long time. Terrell Owens was a locker room cancer, yet until he got old it never took him that long to find employment afterwards because he's a hall of fame talent.
Kaepernick couldn't hold a candle to any of those guys. And yet teams put up with their crap. Sure, this situation is different because it's political, but it's not the first time athletes have taken a stance against police. Lebron James has spoken on this issue, yet nobody gives him crap because
1. He's not doing other stupid things around his protest.
2. HE'S LEBRON JAMES. He's the undisputed best player in the world, and unless he murdered someone on live video, the Cavs would never, ever let go of him. HE HAS VALUE. He could pull a full Dennis Rodman, and say "death to all cops", and the Cavs would still keep him around, and if they didn't some team wouldn't give a shit and sign him because any team that has that guy has a chance to win a championship.
See my point? It's clearly a combination of the two. Whether you think it's the protest that's the bigger problem is your opinion: mine is that him not being that good clearly plays a bigger role.
Kaepernick couldn't hold a candle to any of those guys. And yet teams put up with their crap. Sure, this situation is different because it's political, but it's not the first time athletes have taken a stance against police. Lebron James has spoken on this issue, yet nobody gives him crap because
1. He's not doing other stupid things around his protest.
2. HE'S LEBRON JAMES. He's the undisputed best player in the world, and unless he murdered someone on live video, the Cavs would never, ever let go of him. HE HAS VALUE. He could pull a full Dennis Rodman, and say "death to all cops", and the Cavs would still keep him around, and if they didn't some team wouldn't give a shit and sign him because any team that has that guy has a chance to win a championship.
See my point? It's clearly a combination of the two. Whether you think it's the protest that's the bigger problem is your opinion: mine is that him not being that good clearly plays a bigger role.