allblackraven
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Trouble with a tag is that entire amount goes immediately on the cap. Much different if we can sign him for 22 per year, bulk of that stuff is prorated and moved down the line.
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The Lamar, The Defence and The Special Teams
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he may be tagged but he'll be on the same tag that lamar was on. That will be enough to keep teams from talking to him
This. The Ravens are like $14M under. And that includes the Bowser cap from this year AND cutting Bowser because the incentives will count like $7M against the 2024 cap.
If the Ravens tag Madibuike, they will have to restructure/release players to simply fit him under the cap at all, and that's not including the fact that the Ravens have a lot of critical free agents (holes at LG with Simpson, RG with Zeitler, RB with Dobbins and Edwards, WR with Odell, Agholor, and Duvernay, OLB with Clowney and Van Noy, CB with Darby and Maulet).
I've strongly been of the mindset that his sack numbers are inflated heavily and he is due for major regression, especially if MacDonald gets poached. I just don't see this as a situation where they tag him and make it work for a year, which is personally what I'd want to see given this year is an anomaly in the grand scheme of his career and given advanced stats.
UPennChem
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Lmao the subtexting is funny compared to sending a friendly message. Regardless, sorry y'all and I got ya next time.
I will never name drop a single person to shame anyone (unless they're an active troll) and I will not censor people just for being annoying (unless they're an active troll.)Lmao the subtexting is funny compared to sending a friendly message. Regardless, sorry y'all and I got ya next time.
But it's also more than just you.
Interesting that he doesn't flatten his route after his stem but progressively comes back to the QB. I'd love to know if that's some coaching point or just him doing this off of instincts on his opponent.
Dom McRaven
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I can't even lie, I'm guilty of this shit. I'm such a fucking worry wart during games.
Baltimorican
Veteran
The defense was depleted. They survived the first wave of injuries and played solid enough ball for that win streak, but the 2nd wave was too much and they had no answers for Mahomes.
I don't know if they can let Madubuike get away. Forget his sacks, he had 71 pressures including the playoff game and 50 of those pressures came from week 9. Not a chance we let Madubuike get away, even if the sack numbers come back down to the mean.
Cutting Bowser saves 5.5m against the cap.
rmcjacket23
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I mean there are cuts to be had. I think Ricard either gets cut or extended for much less, and I don't think its a given Moses is back either.
Ravens pretty much have to get younger on offense. It's a pretty veteran group out there now. They need younger RBs, they'll need younger players (and maybe upgrades) on the interior of the Oline, and even their Tackles are older. Stanley's back due to his contract most likely, but they still have Mekari and Faalele.
Defensively, they'll still have a pretty good core. Roquan, Hamilton, Marlon, Stephens, Williams all will be back.
But offensively I think you'll see a good number of changes in personnel in the offseason. And many of them will need to be younger players, both out of necessity to get younger overall, and due to cap constraints. That's inevitable regardless of whether they tag/keep Mad or not.
I'll also put this out there... I think there's a 0% chance they let both Mad and Queen walk without a big time fight. So if they think Mad is out of their price range, I think they'll immediately pivot to keeping Queen.
With Bowser, they're saving $2M this year which will roll over to next year. Then they cut him for $5.5M, a total of $7.5M between the roll over and savings from being cut. But that's going to just cover the incentives that were reached this year, so it just basically means the expected cap for next year doesn't move.
As far as Madibuike is concerned, he just doesn't have a high double team rate or a high win rate (as in, getting pressures or sacks within 2.5 seconds.) I think he's as big of a beneficiary of the secondary and Mike MacDonald's scheme as anyone. But definitely worth noting Clowney is having an absolute career year and Van Noy had a career year coming off the streets in like week four. The entire pass rush just seems revitalized and so energized and I truly believe the scheme has put every player into a position they otherwise wouldn't be in.
Let me ask this- Madibuike has 13.0 sacks on the season. Given his 64 pressures in that time, historically, he should have roughly 8 sacks. If he had 8 sacks, do you really think he'd be viewed as this must sign, must bend over backward for player? Or do you think leading defensive tackles in sacks has inflated his value to fans.
I go back and forth on Ricard. He doesn't save a ton, but he's also basically just here for short yardage situations. I could see the Monken offense operating entirely without a full back, and Ricard is playing more in line tight end than full back, anyway. Still, I don't think Gus has a career high in touchdowns without him. But, Gus also likely isn't back. I would think he's high on the cut priority list if the numbers get tight.
I'd hate to see Moses go, especially with expected turnover at LG and RG. I think he had his best year as a Raven up until that shoulder injury. I also thought Stanley has been slowly improving down the stretch. He's another I could go either way with purely because $5M isn't nothing. However, I also think losing three starting offensive lineman in one offseason is a tough pill to swallow.
Fully expect to see the Ravens get younger at RB and guard, though. I would think they really want Cleveland in one of the spots, but I don't think he's outright handed the job. Would think they'll try to bring back OBJ for cheaper at WR because Bateman, Flowers, and Wallace is a really young group.
I just don't know if I see them pivoting to Queen with the money invested in Roquan. I think it'd be tough to justify paying two offball linebackers as some of the highest in the league on the same team.
Really, this will be a massive, challenging offseason for DeCosta. It's the most turnover they've experienced with him on very tight cap.
Madubuike's win rate is 14.4 which is 12th when you take into account having atleast 20% of the snaps.
Earlier in the season, probably around the Titans game if I recall I didn't think he was a must sign because he was gettiing sacks, but not really creating pressures. That has totally changed. Will it go back to the mean, that is quite possible, but I feel he is a player we must resign....even if he drops back to 8 sacks but still is creatiing pressures. He absolutely has been schemed up to get sacks. 14.4 isn't bad and if you look at Hargrave, his win rate is 13.6 with 56 pressures on the season.
Yes he would be
8 sacks for an IDL is still ridiculously valuable
As are all the pressures, many of which are high quality
But that's the thing- a lot aren't high quality and a lot of his sacks have been a product of great coverage and a high motor.
I just don't see a guy worth breaking the bank for. He'd be like eighth in DT sacks with 8 and likely isn't garnering second team All Pro. Maybe a Pro Bowl.
But the perception of him, and his value, would be way down. Ironically, I'd be on board with signing him if he'd had a "normal" season because his value would be more appropriate.
JoeyFlex5
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If we had a DT with 64 pressures and 8 sacks, we better fucking re sign him.