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End of the Bar Does Not Care, John Harbaugh

rossihunter2 said:
i assumed he was talking about klay kubiak (OC of the 49ers)
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I assumed Klint. Either way... there's only two ways they'd move... they get fired (meaning Shanahan gets fired), or they take a HC gig.
SF doesn't even have to allow Kubiak to interview for a lateral move.

So in this scenario, Kubiak is the HC, and Saleh is the DC. Except then you're in the same boat, because there's no reason for SF to allow Saleh to interview for a lateral move. Teams routinely block lateral move interviews all the time. They just don't typically block promotions.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I assumed Klint. Either way... there's only two ways they'd move... they get fired (meaning Shanahan gets fired), or they take a HC gig.
SF doesn't even have to allow Kubiak to interview for a lateral move.

So in this scenario, Kubiak is the HC, and Saleh is the DC. Except then you're in the same boat, because there's no reason for SF to allow Saleh to interview for a lateral move. Teams routinely block lateral move interviews all the time. They just don't typically block promotions.
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49ers and Rams have typically let their OCs be hired away to be playcallers elsewhere because they don't get playcalling duties in their current spots

they'd technically be able to block those guys from moving "laterally" but i think they havent historically
 
rossihunter2 said:
49ers and Rams have typically let their OCs be hired away to be playcallers elsewhere because they don't get playcalling duties in their current spots

they'd technically be able to block those guys from moving "laterally" but i think they havent historically
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Then why would I hire somebody to call plays that hasn't done it?
 
QtR Nevermore said:
The Eagles sacked Peterson pretty soon after a SB and New England moved off Belichick, who won his last Superbowl 7 years after Harbaugh won his. It's time for a change
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it's only time if the owner feels that way. The two guys you mentioned didn't really have alot of success after they were fired. John Harbaugh is likely to have sucesss coaching another team and he probably would be a great fit for the Giants. Honestly it's really not going to matter who is the ravens next head coach in 2026 if they can't address the offensive line and defensive line/pass rush unit.
 
1 SB, 4 AFCCG appearances in 18 yrs in a 15 team conference.

The entire 18 years has been the 2nd best HC in a 4 team division.

Had a top 5 roster in the conference about half the time.

I've never been a fire Harbaugh guy until this week. But you have to ask, has he even been above average? Cuz those stats are dartboard level.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Then why would I hire somebody to call plays that hasn't done it?
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because at some point, that's how you find and develop people
that's literally how most coordinators become coordinators, they didn't call plays but showed promise, now they get to call plays...

calling plays is an important part of being a coordinator but i'd say the system they design and implement is probably more important - especially if you can empower a QB to be flexible at the LoS

we're not all big fans of how it all turned out but the ravens literally just promoted zach orr who'd never called plays before
before that, they hired mike macdonald after 1 season of calling plays in college

i'm not saying we have to hire klay kubiak, but discounting him as a potential OC just because he's never called plays means that you'll very often miss out on those "offensive genius" types - because someone else is going to let them call plays - and then the only way you can get one of them is if you hire them as HCs

which is fine, but it also puts pressure on to make sure you hire the right one first time because this team isn't just gonna start firing HCs frequently all of a sudden
 
rossihunter2 said:
because at some point, that's how you find and develop people
that's literally how most coordinators become coordinators, they didn't call plays but showed promise, now they get to call plays...

calling plays is an important part of being a coordinator but i'd say the system they design and implement is probably more important - especially if you can empower a QB to be flexible at the LoS

we're not all big fans of how it all turned out but the ravens literally just promoted zach orr who'd never called plays before
before that, they hired mike macdonald after 1 season of calling plays in college

i'm not saying we have to hire klay kubiak, but discounting him as a potential OC just because he's never called plays means that you'll very often miss out on those "offensive genius" types - because someone else is going to let them call plays - and then the only way you can get one of them is if you hire them as HCs

which is fine, but it also puts pressure on to make sure you hire the right one first time because this team isn't just gonna start firing HCs frequently all of a sudden
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Sure but they also get promotions into jobs in systems they were already acclimated to. Most of those guys get play calling experience by being promoted into play calling duties in systems they were taught.
 
Damn, what the hell happened with Eric B man. He was such a hot shot OC but that PR never got away from him.


Sheesh
 
gtalk12 said:
Damn, what the hell happened with Eric B man. He was such a hot shot OC but that PR never got away from him.


Sheesh
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I don't think it was as much the PR as it's been on record that he had an impressive run of bad interviews
 
rmcjacket23 said:
So a) I'd expect both to get HC gigs this offseason and b) Kubiak is already an OC, so I don't see why he'd want to leave SEA for a lateral move or that SEA would even allow him to do it.

The usual caveat, and why I think its exponentially better to hire an offensive guy as HC than a defensive guy... any "young, good" OC you bring in, if he succeeds, has a max of 1-2 years before they get their own HC gig. And I personally don't think the 2026 roster is going to be a SB caliber roster, so I think to a certain extent you're wasting that opportunity.

Honestly, for me, above average DCs are pretty easy to find. The difference between Minter, Saleh and even Flores defense, compared to Zach Orr's, is about 2 points a week. Some of the absolute best DCs in this league have bounced around to various teams throughout their career.
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I meant Klay Kubiak for exactly that reason.
 
rossihunter2 said:
because at some point, that's how you find and develop people
that's literally how most coordinators become coordinators, they didn't call plays but showed promise, now they get to call plays...

calling plays is an important part of being a coordinator but i'd say the system they design and implement is probably more important - especially if you can empower a QB to be flexible at the LoS

we're not all big fans of how it all turned out but the ravens literally just promoted zach orr who'd never called plays before
before that, they hired mike macdonald after 1 season of calling plays in college

i'm not saying we have to hire klay kubiak, but discounting him as a potential OC just because he's never called plays means that you'll very often miss out on those "offensive genius" types - because someone else is going to let them call plays - and then the only way you can get one of them is if you hire them as HCs

which is fine, but it also puts pressure on to make sure you hire the right one first time because this team isn't just gonna start firing HCs frequently all of a sudden
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Exactly. It also seems like a doable option if Saleh gets another shot at HC somewhere.
 
allblackraven said:
I meant Klay Kubiak for exactly that reason.
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Right so I don't think SF will allow us to just take their OC unless he's planning to be your HC, in which case I don't know why they'd allow you to take their DC for a lateral move either.

I'm also not sure why people prefer Klay or Klint, either.
 
Harbaugh didn’t have an answer to Bo’s question regarding his job - just straight up word salad from Harbs. I think he knows his time is up.
 
Could really be wrong with this take but I dont think Harbs coaches in the NFL again of he gets fired here.

The options are:

A garbage team wants Harbs to fix the culture. I think Harbs has said he didn't want to be a part of a rebuild in Baltimore. I think he declines those offers.

An on the cusp team reaches out to Harbs to put them over the hump. I just simply dont think teams in that situation would actually call him after what he's done here.

Elite teams are not changing their coaches.

If he gets fired, I think he enters the FO or coaches college or just retires.
 
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