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2024 Training Camp

I've stayed away from this site for the last while because I've legitimately been too annoyed with the self-inflicted wound that is the O Line to even get through writing a post but maybe I've moved through a few stages of grief because I feel a rant coming.

We all knew this was going to be a relatively down year due to the cap cycle, but I thought they'd use it to get things in place so that next year we'd be fielding a 2023 level roster. Instead, they seem to have used it to dig a deeper hole.

I'm going to be criticizing EDC here, but I know he's an above average GM who built a monster last season. In fact, I think that's part of the problem - he's a smart guy who has a bit of a tendency to think he's smarter than he is. (The fact that he's a practical joker shows a bit of an "I know something that you don't know" smirking superiority.) I think he got high off his own supply.

DeCosta is a great GM when he realises that a lot of luck is involved in roster construction and plays the percentages. A lot of GMs are at their worst after success because it's human nature to attribute more of your success to yourself and less to luck than is actually the case. We all do it.
If this season goes badly, he'll probably be humbled and a much better GM next off-season.

We had Moses and Zeitler on the roster for bargain prices but DeCosta galaxy-brained them off the roster for no real reason, believing he could magically draft an upgraded O line, despite not having much success in drafting O Line outside the 1st up to now. OK. I can live with that. In that case, he's definitely going to draft one in the first and then take at least one more shot later, isn't he?

He did none of that, the results look scary and he'd probably snap someone's hand off to bring in an OL player of Zeitler/Moses quality for the price we had them, if any were available.

That's before we get to the point that the O line is the very last thing you want to dick around with if you have a top QB, never mind one who's had 2 season ending injuries in the pocket. If you want to show how clever you are do it with the secondary, or the pass rush, or the receivers or anything. The other teams with top QBs understand this. We're the only ones getting careless with our most important asset.

Sorry, needed to get that off my chest.
 
As a proven kick returner I think Harty was always a lock.
Not sure I totally understand the disdain for him anyways. We’ve literally only seen him on 4 returns to this point - 2 solid and 2 not so solid. Feel like it’s mostly projection of him not practicing much early in camp.
 
Not sure I totally understand the disdain for him anyways. We’ve literally only seen him on 4 returns to this point - 2 solid and 2 not so solid. Feel like it’s mostly projection of him not practicing much early in camp.
With a vet player pre season form means little or nothing
 
QB 2
Lamar Jackson
Josh Johnson

RB 3
Derrick Henry
Justice Hill
John Kelly

FB 1
Pat Ricard

TE 3
Mark Andrews
Isiah Likely
Charlie Kolar

WR 6
Zay Flowers
Rashod Bateman
Nelly Agholor
Tylan Wallace
Deonte Harty
Tez Walker

OL 9
Ronnie Stanley
Andrew Vorhees
Tyler Linderbaum
Daniel Faalele
Roger Rosengarten
Josh Jones
Ben Cleveland
Patrick Mekari
Nick Samac if healthy otherwise Sala

DL 5
Michael Pierce
Justin Madabuike
Brent Urban
Travis Jones
Broderick Washington

EDGE 6
Odafe Oweh
Kyle Van Noy
David Ojabo
Tavius Robinson
Malik Harrison
Adisa Iaasac

ILB 4
Roquan Smith
Trenton Simpson
CJ Board
John Ross / Yvandy Rigby

CB 5
Marlon Humphrey
Brandon Stephens
Nate Wiggins
Jalyn Armour Davis
Tj Tampa

S 5
Kyle Hamilton
Marcus Williams
Ardarius Washington
Eddie Jackson
Sanousi Kane

1 more open spot for idek who. What a weak fucking back end of a roster.
 
QB 2
Lamar Jackson
Josh Johnson

RB 3
Derrick Henry
Justice Hill
John Kelly

FB 1
Pat Ricard

TE 3
Mark Andrews
Isiah Likely
Charlie Kolar

WR 6
Zay Flowers
Rashod Bateman
Nelly Agholor
Tylan Wallace
Deonte Harty
Tez Walker

OL 9
Ronnie Stanley
Andrew Vorhees
Tyler Linderbaum
Daniel Faalele
Roger Rosengarten
Josh Jones
Ben Cleveland
Patrick Mekari
Nick Samac if healthy otherwise Sala

DL 5
Michael Pierce
Justin Madabuike
Brent Urban
Travis Jones
Broderick Washington

EDGE 6
Odafe Oweh
Kyle Van Noy
David Ojabo
Tavius Robinson
Malik Harrison
Adisa Iaasac

ILB 4
Roquan Smith
Trenton Simpson
CJ Board
John Ross / Yvandy Rigby

CB 5
Marlon Humphrey
Brandon Stephens
Nate Wiggins
Jalyn Armour Davis
Tj Tampa

S 5
Kyle Hamilton
Marcus Williams
Ardarius Washington
Eddie Jackson
Sanousi Kane

1 more open spot for idek who. What a weak fucking back end of a roster.
I might honestly take Collier over Ali or Kelly if Wright is hurt

I still think Pepe is CB6 although it was a rough look for him today.

May also take Brade over Kane at this stage but that’s a coin flip and don’t think either decision is wrong.
 
I might honestly take Collier over Ali or Kelly if Wright is hurt

I still think Pepe is CB6 although it was a rough look for him today.

May also take Brade over Kane at this stage but that’s a coin flip and don’t think either decision is wrong.
The thought is RB3 isn't gonna get a ton of work at all and just trot out someone you can trust until Keaton gets back.

Agree on Pepe. Man was he bad. He's just gotta help us get through till Maulet is back.

I could see Brade for sure. Think they're gonna try and stash him on the PS. Idk though like what about Worley. Why would Brade sign with the PS if he's got truly a million people ahead of him.

Still don't even know what to do with that last open spot. A 7th WR like Miller? Ross and Rigby? Keep Manning? Keep Kane and Brade? Kane and Worley? Worley and Brade?
 
It is a weird season in the fact it feels there are usually 60 players who should make the roster, this year I would say closer to 48 ish. Agreeded one of the weakest depth years we've had, although lineman 6-8 whoever it may be is fairly solid, and safety depth is phenomenal too. Doesn't seem like a lot of udfas separated themselves.

I think it's roster mismanagement if we don't add a solid / or depth piece at line or the weak defensive spots.
 
I've stayed away from this site for the last while because I've legitimately been too annoyed with the self-inflicted wound that is the O Line to even get through writing a post but maybe I've moved through a few stages of grief because I feel a rant coming.

We all knew this was going to be a relatively down year due to the cap cycle, but I thought they'd use it to get things in place so that next year we'd be fielding a 2023 level roster. Instead, they seem to have used it to dig a deeper hole.

I'm going to be criticizing EDC here, but I know he's an above average GM who built a monster last season. In fact, I think that's part of the problem - he's a smart guy who has a bit of a tendency to think he's smarter than he is. (The fact that he's a practical joker shows a bit of an "I know something that you don't know" smirking superiority.) I think he got high off his own supply.

DeCosta is a great GM when he realises that a lot of luck is involved in roster construction and plays the percentages. A lot of GMs are at their worst after success because it's human nature to attribute more of your success to yourself and less to luck than is actually the case. We all do it.
If this season goes badly, he'll probably be humbled and a much better GM next off-season.

We had Moses and Zeitler on the roster for bargain prices but DeCosta galaxy-brained them off the roster for no real reason, believing he could magically draft an upgraded O line, despite not having much success in drafting O Line outside the 1st up to now. OK. I can live with that. In that case, he's definitely going to draft one in the first and then take at least one more shot later, isn't he?

He did none of that, the results look scary and he'd probably snap someone's hand off to bring in an OL player of Zeitler/Moses quality for the price we had them, if any were available.

That's before we get to the point that the O line is the very last thing you want to dick around with if you have a top QB, never mind one who's had 2 season ending injuries in the pocket. If you want to show how clever you are do it with the secondary, or the pass rush, or the receivers or anything. The other teams with top QBs understand this. We're the only ones getting careless with our most important asset.

Sorry, needed to get that off my chest.
I think this is a really fair and realistic take albeit a worst ish case. I'm pissed about the lack of an actual NFL qb backup. Lamar is 100% going to take more shots than normal behind this bullshit like we are rolling out. Not to mention he will miss a game with an illness, which isn't a knock but likely reality. I don't feel good about anything with this line. Even if all positions end up being okay, letting go of Zietler was one of the most baffling and short sighted moves EDC has made. He's a great gm but that doesn't absolve him of criticism. There will be a massive chemistry adjustment period, and no Joe D makes it worse. Let's hope they can get there shit together quick enough before our franchise qb gets rocked.
 
My initial inclination is that preseason game 3 doesn’t make decisions, but here’s where I’m at…

RB3 - the Wright injury is a blow for him because he was the guy. My assumption is that it’s Ali and you monitor for other options. I’d go Collier if it was based on what I’ve seen but think they’ll lean draft pick here.

WR5 and WR6 - make it Harty and Wallace and keep a vet or two on the PS. Don’t think I’d waive Wallace to keep someone that doesn’t need to go through waivers. And none of them have done quite enough for me either.

OL9 - if healthy, Samac. If not, I think it’s Sala for now and someone outside of the organization if you can swing something.

CB6 - it was a rough look for Pepe today but think he’s had a solid camp overall per reports. Hollman is ass at CB but has some ST abilities so it could be him.

S5 - coin flip but I might give the edge to Brade over Kane. It could end up being both…

Last spot - ILB is light on depth but I’m not sure Ross or Rigby have done enough. As alluded to above, I might keep both S5 candidates and monitor the waiver wire for an ILB option.
 
QB 2
Lamar Jackson
Josh Johnson

RB 3
Derrick Henry
Justice Hill
John Kelly

FB 1
Pat Ricard

TE 3
Mark Andrews
Isiah Likely
Charlie Kolar

WR 6
Zay Flowers
Rashod Bateman
Nelly Agholor
Tylan Wallace
Deonte Harty
Tez Walker

OL 9
Ronnie Stanley
Andrew Vorhees
Tyler Linderbaum
Daniel Faalele
Roger Rosengarten
Josh Jones
Ben Cleveland
Patrick Mekari
Nick Samac if healthy otherwise Sala

DL 5
Michael Pierce
Justin Madabuike
Brent Urban
Travis Jones
Broderick Washington

EDGE 6
Odafe Oweh
Kyle Van Noy
David Ojabo
Tavius Robinson
Malik Harrison
Adisa Iaasac

ILB 4
Roquan Smith
Trenton Simpson
CJ Board
John Ross / Yvandy Rigby

CB 5
Marlon Humphrey
Brandon Stephens
Nate Wiggins
Jalyn Armour Davis
Tj Tampa

S 5
Kyle Hamilton
Marcus Williams
Ardarius Washington
Eddie Jackson
Sanousi Kane

1 more open spot for idek who. What a weak fucking back end of a roster.
I'd like to see Wade make the team
 
I know there are unknowns, but I’m not sure why there is so much consternation surrounding the O line. Could be that they have a rough start but it seems Rosengarten and Voorhees will be more than capable replacements. And by most accounts Faalele is ready to take the next step. Hopefully Ronnie is back to form, but he was never going anywhere anyway.
 
I think many people are going to be surprised. Do I expect it to be as good as last year, no. That being said, I'd take 11 wins and a super bowl win.
 
I didn’t see the game today but… we’re gonna have a bad year aren’t we?
I think so. I don’t trust this offensive line, nor the WR corps. Lamar’s gonna have to be a superhero once again and turn nothing into something. I’m sick and tired of this shit and it starts with EDC, though I can’t wait for Harbaugh to finally go. I don’t have a good feeling for this season
 
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