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Can anyone make a scientific, data-based argument against gun control? I'd be willing to entertain a legitimate argument and not empty rhetoric.
 
Can we just stop with the "assult" part?
There is no "assult" rifle. Meaning you can have a golf club, and if you beat someone with it it is now an assult golf club.

There is no sub category of guns labled assult.
 
The Raven said:
Can anyone make a scientific, data-based argument against gun control? I'd be willing to entertain a legitimate argument and not empty rhetoric.
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I’m all for gun control. Every owner should know how to control his/her gun. Really however I’m for gun control as long as it means things like owners taking psychiatric tests. And not a gun ban disguised as control.
 
cobrajet said:
I kinda feel the same way but an AR15 is not all that much different than a semi automatic hunting rifle and you can get a semi automatic hunting rifle in way more lethal calibers than an AR15. You could limit a magazine to a certain amount of rounds but people would still get the larger capacity ones on the black market or tape a few magazines together for quick reloading. We could try banning AR15’s, AK47’s, and weapons like this but I believe we have to do more. Kids in the county used to bring their hunting rifles into school in the 70’s and 80’s after they went hunting in the morning and there was never any school shootings. Something has changed, seriously something has really changed. If we eliminated all these assault weapons overnight, I really believe it would not change much. I think these kids have changed. Schools have really taken bullying and unfair treatment seriously and these schools have to be easier to attend nowadays from when I went to school. Bullying was out of control in my day. Kids were just as angry back then, why all of a sudden now do we have the shootings? In fact, back in my day, parents never locked up their guns. There were no gun safes and gun locks back then. We even carried pocket knives and no one ever said anything. Try getting caught nowadays with a knife in school and see what happens. Something more seems to be going on here.
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No question about the changes. Might sound simplistic but it seems like life is now often carried out as if it were a video game without consequence. It also seems that the moral compass of society in general is often whacked. A truly worrisome situation that isn't going to be solved solely by banning any type of firearms.
 
The Raven said:
Can anyone make a scientific, data-based argument against gun control? I'd be willing to entertain a legitimate argument and not empty rhetoric.
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No I can’t, because we need to do something. Things are really out of control when it comes to guns. I think the school shootings are horrible, but all these gun murders in the inner cities are truly just as horrible. Do you have any thoughts on how to stop that? Remember we have to be realistic about it. Baltimore can’t afford to hire a cop for every city street. Since the criminals are not going to turn in their guns, and most liberals hate strict law enforcement. I really would like to hear your thoughts. I promise to keep an open mind and only hope that if I play devil’s advocate and question some of your points, you can keep an open mind.
 
Tank said:
No question about the changes. Might sound simplistic but it seems like life is now often carried out as if it were a video game without consequence. It also seems that the moral compass of society in general is often whacked. A truly worrisome situation that isn't going to be solved solely by banning any type of firearms.
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It is funny you say that, but boy do these kids love to play video games and watch videos. No young people want to go outside and make friends, talk face to face, and play sports or other games. When they do talk to their friends it is all done nowadays through social media. It seems like the only time kids may talk to each other is at school. Everywhere I go young people are walking around looking down at their smart phone. I think to myself, this is such a shame. I love to watch people and talk with people. I went to the doctor yesterday and there were all older people in the waiting room and I started talking to the guy next to me then a few ladies jumped in and we were all talking to each other. When I was called back into the room, I was disappointed I had to leave the conversation, I enjoyed it so much. The guy I struck up a conversation with reached out and shook my hand and wished me well. I see young people in a setting like that and no one talks to each other, they all have their heads down staring at their smart phone or they have headphones on listening to music with their eyes closed. It seems to me that there could be something to this.
I often wonder what a lot of these kids are talking about on social media. I wonder if they have conversations like we are having in this thread or if they are just reading each other’s quick tweets. One thing is certainly different then when I was younger, with all those dating sites it has to be easier finding a romance or paramour, especially if you are a little on the shy side. I remember when I was in 4th grade there was this tall thin girl with short brown hair and big brown eyes in my class that I could not keep my eyes off of. She had to know I was staring at her all year. I wonder if she ever felt uncomfortable or just knew that I had a major crush on her and was okay with it. I guess nowadays that behavior would be frowned upon and I would be reported as a “stalker” to a teacher.
I wonder if I read what these kids were saying to each other on social media, if I could really fully understand their writing or if half of their strange letters would have to be googled....lol I wonder if they actually talk with each other in the hallways at school or if they just walk from class to class with their heads down like when they are outside with their smart phones in their hand?
 
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rossihunter2 said:
because in this hypothetical guns are illegal and therefore owning a gun is an arrestable offence...

if gun regulations arent the answer then what is?
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If we would just enforce the gun laws we have now that would be a hell of a start. Hell any of our laws in general but they're spit on and people have no fear.

Honestly who follows laws? The law abider or the criminal? Who are you weakening with your regulations? Basically you're wanting to put our safety in the hands of govt. Good question for you is what do you believe is the % of legal gun owners that are both responsible and law abiding out of 100?

SepticeyePoe said:
@Lost_In_Translation

Thank you for your perspective. I appreciate it.

I read most of it, and I think I understood what you're saying.

It just depresses me when I hear of all these school shootings. Something has to change. I don't know what, but something has to.
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What we should pay attention too is not really enforcing stricter gun laws but protecting our schools which to me is more important. Narrowing it down to a few less entrances would be a hell of a start and what is open should be monitored by camaras and by personel. There are also systems that could be put in place that could "sniff out" potential threats like the Patriot 1 system (problem is these are very pricey and do districts want to spend this type of money). Thing is the left is crying gun regulatiuon I guess since they don't realize that there's other ways to mass kill lol. Its should be more about school protection but no its being used for political purposes which is pretty damn sickening.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
I’m all for gun control. Every owner should know how to control his/her gun. Really however I’m for gun control as long as it means things like owners taking psychiatric tests. And not a gun ban disguised as control.
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I really don't have a problem with psychiatric evaluation but does a person that takes a Xanax to control mild depression unqualified to own a gun? Where do you draw the line?
 
The Raven said:
"I'd be willing to entertain a legitimate argument and not empty rhetoric."
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Besides payback programs what is your solution to confiscating these guns? Are honest people now gonna become felons? You gonna raid houses Gestapo style?
 
cobrajet said:
It is funny you say that, but boy do these kids love to play video games and watch videos. No young people want to go outside and make friends, talk face to face, and play sports or other games. When they do talk to their friends it is all done nowadays through social media. It seems like the only time kids may talk to each other is at school. Everywhere I go young people are walking around looking down at their smart phone. I think to myself, this is such a shame. I love to watch people and talk with people. I went to the doctor yesterday and there were all older people in the waiting room and I started talking to the guy next to me then a few ladies jumped in and we were all talking to each other. When I was called back into the room, I was disappointed I had to leave the conversation, I enjoyed it so much. The guy I struck up a conversation with reached out and shook my hand and wished me well. I see young people in a setting like that and no one talks to each other, they all have their heads down staring at their smart phone or they have headphones on listening to music with their eyes closed. It seems to me that there could be something to this.
I often wonder what a lot of these kids are talking about on social media. I wonder if they have conversations like we are having in this thread or if they are just reading each other’s quick tweets. One thing is certainly different then when I was younger, with all those dating sites it has to be easier finding a romance or paramour, especially if you are a little on the shy side. I remember when I was in 4th grade there was this tall thin girl with short brown hair and big brown eyes in my class that I could not keep my eyes off of. She had to know I was staring at her all year. I wonder if she ever felt uncomfortable or just knew that I had a major crush on her and was okay with it. I guess nowadays that behavior would be frowned upon and I would be reported as a “stalker” to a teacher.
I wonder if I read what these kids were saying to each other on social media, if I could really fully understand their writing or if half of their strange letters would have to be googled....lol I wonder if they actually talk with each other in the hallways at school or if they just walk from class to class with their heads down like when they are outside with their smart phones in their hand?
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Just hitting your last post but it is a very good question on why the rates of mass killing is rising at such the rapid rate it is. Could it be video games? Should glorifying violent killing video games like :"Call of Duty" be banned? Is it the internet and lack of social interaction? Is it political correctness?
Hollywood,Silicon Valley and the SJW's could really be the problem. Just saying............ btw again thanks for what you do.
 
Willbacker said:
I really don't have a problem with psychiatric evaluation but does a person that takes a Xanax to control mild depression unqualified to own a gun? Where do you draw the line?
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The other problem with psychiatric, tests is the right to privacy.
Do you loose one right in order to gain another?
 
K-Dog said:
Can we just stop with the "assult" part?
There is no "assult" rifle. Meaning you can have a golf club, and if you beat someone with it it is now an assult golf club.

There is no sub category of guns labled assult.
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I guess the better word is “tactical”.
 
Tank said:
I see your point, but should a gun be sold to a person who is mentally unstable? I would say no.
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And I agree completely, but you see how messy that "solution" can be. At that, where do you draw the line? * I get that the Florida shooter had no business owning his guns, but what about the Vegas shooter?
As far as we know a "clean bill of health".

The temptation might be to rid the world of all gun violence, and that is simply beyond realistic. Sometimes bad things happen. It is a consiquence of a free society. Just so we are clear, I am neither excusing nor dismissing the gravity of these acts. But if legalisate laws every time bad things happen, I don't know what that might look like, but I doubt it will look like freedom.


* Keeping in mind I know a little more than the average person about mental illness.
 
I remember a few years back reading about how Sweden’s gun laws could be a good model for the US, but it seems their fortunes have taken a turn due to increased organized crime and gang activity.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170905/wh...ings-per-capita-than-norway-and-germany-malmo

Germany has some of the strictest gun control laws in Europe that were instituted in response to mass shootings that occurred there.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170905/wh...ings-per-capita-than-norway-and-germany-malmo
 
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